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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10459/comment-page-1#comment-130451</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EMI

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Sony

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2006/01/in_the_quarter_1.php

 And Warner was so broke they could only pay .. how many million
 was it ?? ... to buy YouTube ??

 &quot;If he had any insight on the amount of money the labels are actually losing then he/she wouldn&#039;t make absolutely rediculous statements like &quot;hey&#039;re minting money, reporting eye-popping revenues year after year &quot;

 Seems pretty accurate then.
 But , IF, and I stress IF, since it has never been conclusively
 proven that P2P hurts sales ( oberholz/strumpf study shows p2p
 has ZERO impact ) P2P is not the cause of this imaginary loss,
 what else could be ??

 1. Generic uninteresting content offerings  ?
    I say it this way because their puppets are not artists,
   an most of them aren&#039;t musicians .. they are showpieces.
   The customer is tired of it.
 2. Ridiculous prices for an CD stuffed with filler tunes and ONE
    song that someone MIGHT want ?? ( see 1. above )
 3 Alternative entertainment options 
    PC &#039;s Game Consoles .. sooo many different ways to entertain
   ourselves, but still only so much cash to disperse.
  Maybe people are spending less on CD&#039;s becuase they actually
  have OTHER interests as well ?
 4. Suing your customers .. Quick or Dead .. is really bad for business
   So, it&#039;s not at all possible, that enough people are finding out
   about the absolute maliciousness of the e-cartels in the sue
  em all ( who cares if they&#039;re dead ) campaign, and they are
  fed up enough to NOT BUY .. like .. Boycott ??
  Yes, I know how you industry types try to dismiss the Boycott as
 negligible, but as more people hear just how ridiculous the suits
 are, and the callous, dishonest behavior of the e-cartels, they
 join with the rest of us boycotters. Deny it all you want
 The BOYCOTT is a factor.
 5. I list this last, but it may be the most important factor ...
     INDEPENDENT Artists.
    You know, the ones that have nothing to do with the e-cartels.
    With P2P, sites like YouTube ( not for long tho, since it is now
    an e-cartel property ), Dmusic, the TRUE independent could sit
   side by side with the e-cartel &#039;product&#039;. And, guess what ....
    The Indy&#039;s are getting preference :)
   That&#039;s gotta hurt.
   I guess the e-cartels only choice is to frighten people off the 
   P2P networks ... lie about how broke they are, while sueing
   bullying or .. BUYING out of business any outlet that could
   provide a level playing field for the Independent Artist.
  
 It&#039;s this last option that is the biggest example of your ONLY true statement .......

 &quot;Filesharing, not digital format, has caused the biggest revolution in music history. &quot;

 This statement , however, is backwards ...

 &quot;Yes, the music industry will never die because there will always be a demand for music. &quot;

  Music existed before there was any .. industry.
  The industry   .. will ... die.
  Music will always exist, regardless of the existence of exploiters.
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EMI</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=6450" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=6450</a></p>
<p>Sony</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2006/01/in_the_quarter_1.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2006/01/in_the_quarter_1.php</a></p>
<p> And Warner was so broke they could only pay .. how many million<br />
 was it ?? &#8230; to buy YouTube ??</p>
<p> &#8220;If he had any insight on the amount of money the labels are actually losing then he/she wouldn&#8217;t make absolutely rediculous statements like &#8220;hey&#8217;re minting money, reporting eye-popping revenues year after year &#8221;</p>
<p> Seems pretty accurate then.<br />
 But , IF, and I stress IF, since it has never been conclusively<br />
 proven that P2P hurts sales ( oberholz/strumpf study shows p2p<br />
 has ZERO impact ) P2P is not the cause of this imaginary loss,<br />
 what else could be ??</p>
<p> 1. Generic uninteresting content offerings  ?<br />
    I say it this way because their puppets are not artists,<br />
   an most of them aren&#8217;t musicians .. they are showpieces.<br />
   The customer is tired of it.<br />
 2. Ridiculous prices for an CD stuffed with filler tunes and ONE<br />
    song that someone MIGHT want ?? ( see 1. above )<br />
 3 Alternative entertainment options<br />
    PC &#8217;s Game Consoles .. sooo many different ways to entertain<br />
   ourselves, but still only so much cash to disperse.<br />
  Maybe people are spending less on CD&#8217;s becuase they actually<br />
  have OTHER interests as well ?<br />
 4. Suing your customers .. Quick or Dead .. is really bad for business<br />
   So, it&#8217;s not at all possible, that enough people are finding out<br />
   about the absolute maliciousness of the e-cartels in the sue<br />
  em all ( who cares if they&#8217;re dead ) campaign, and they are<br />
  fed up enough to NOT BUY .. like .. Boycott ??<br />
  Yes, I know how you industry types try to dismiss the Boycott as<br />
 negligible, but as more people hear just how ridiculous the suits<br />
 are, and the callous, dishonest behavior of the e-cartels, they<br />
 join with the rest of us boycotters. Deny it all you want<br />
 The BOYCOTT is a factor.<br />
 5. I list this last, but it may be the most important factor &#8230;<br />
     INDEPENDENT Artists.<br />
    You know, the ones that have nothing to do with the e-cartels.<br />
    With P2P, sites like YouTube ( not for long tho, since it is now<br />
    an e-cartel property ), Dmusic, the TRUE independent could sit<br />
   side by side with the e-cartel &#8216;product&#8217;. And, guess what &#8230;.<br />
    The Indy&#8217;s are getting preference <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
   That&#8217;s gotta hurt.<br />
   I guess the e-cartels only choice is to frighten people off the<br />
   P2P networks &#8230; lie about how broke they are, while sueing<br />
   bullying or .. BUYING out of business any outlet that could<br />
   provide a level playing field for the Independent Artist.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s this last option that is the biggest example of your ONLY true statement &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p> &#8220;Filesharing, not digital format, has caused the biggest revolution in music history. &#8221;</p>
<p> This statement , however, is backwards &#8230;</p>
<p> &#8220;Yes, the music industry will never die because there will always be a demand for music. &#8221;</p>
<p>  Music existed before there was any .. industry.<br />
  The industry   .. will &#8230; die.<br />
  Music will always exist, regardless of the existence of exploiters.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10459/comment-page-1#comment-130441</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of this article is a F&#039;ing moron. If he had any insight on the amount of money the labels are actually losing then he/she wouldn&#039;t make absolutely rediculous statements like &quot;hey&#039;re minting money, reporting eye-popping revenues year after year, thanks to you.&quot; That is the funniest thing I&#039;ve heard all week. If he knew even one god damn thing about the industry why do you think Sony and BMG merged 2 years ago, why do you think EMI and Warner have been in talks for the last year about also merging. These companies are busting their ass just to stay alive and in the red millions upon millions of dollars. Yes, the music industry will never die because there will always be a demand for music. However, if you respect artist and the value of their expression you wouldn&#039;t write stupid faulty things like this. Filesharing, not digital format, has caused the biggest revolution in music history. 
Yeah by a super coward. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of this article is a F&#8217;ing moron. If he had any insight on the amount of money the labels are actually losing then he/she wouldn&#8217;t make absolutely rediculous statements like &#8220;hey&#8217;re minting money, reporting eye-popping revenues year after year, thanks to you.&#8221; That is the funniest thing I&#8217;ve heard all week. If he knew even one god damn thing about the industry why do you think Sony and BMG merged 2 years ago, why do you think EMI and Warner have been in talks for the last year about also merging. These companies are busting their ass just to stay alive and in the red millions upon millions of dollars. Yes, the music industry will never die because there will always be a demand for music. However, if you respect artist and the value of their expression you wouldn&#8217;t write stupid faulty things like this. Filesharing, not digital format, has caused the biggest revolution in music history.<br />
Yeah by a super coward.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10459/comment-page-1#comment-130436</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good that we have at least one reliable research co around</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10459/comment-page-1#comment-130435</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#180;t it correct that Bigchampagne don&#180;t count BT-Users ? ...then we would have to add them......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#180;t it correct that Bigchampagne don&#180;t count BT-Users ? &#8230;then we would have to add them&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10459/comment-page-1#comment-130433</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/  - hook up to streaming music on the net, and separate songs to mp3 files

http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ - tons of internet stations to listen to, and select by file type, e.g., .ogg, .mp3, etc.

http://www.getdemocracy.com/ - pick out tv channels to watch, and receive updates on each channel chosen.  Internet tv is videos, videos, more videos.  democracyplayer takes all the search and categorization hassle, cleans it up, and presents viewers with something they recognize: turn democracyplayer on, watch videos you know are what you&#039;re interested in.

All three of the above links set you up to organize your entertainment, and stock your devices with independent artists and creators who use Creative Commons licensing, and need your support.  The holiday season is upon us.  Make this one to remember.  It&#039;s time to say goodbye to RIAA/MPAA, and the rest of the corporate thugs that pollute our media environment with . . . well, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/</a>  &#8211; hook up to streaming music on the net, and separate songs to mp3 files</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/</a> &#8211; tons of internet stations to listen to, and select by file type, e.g., .ogg, .mp3, etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getdemocracy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getdemocracy.com/</a> &#8211; pick out tv channels to watch, and receive updates on each channel chosen.  Internet tv is videos, videos, more videos.  democracyplayer takes all the search and categorization hassle, cleans it up, and presents viewers with something they recognize: turn democracyplayer on, watch videos you know are what you&#8217;re interested in.</p>
<p>All three of the above links set you up to organize your entertainment, and stock your devices with independent artists and creators who use Creative Commons licensing, and need your support.  The holiday season is upon us.  Make this one to remember.  It&#8217;s time to say goodbye to RIAA/MPAA, and the rest of the corporate thugs that pollute our media environment with . . . well, you know.</p>
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