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	<title>Comments on: Oz Kudos to PeerGuardian</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Schmit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Schmit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes they can obtain your IP but they can not get access to your computer. With no solid evidence your just another random number amongst millions of others. Think of it as a riot, they can only take pictures of who&#039;s involved, they cant record footage of the ones inflicting damage on property.

PG is a progressive protection, brick by brick we are creating an annoying barrier &amp; keep in mind they have to pay for each brick we use. hopefully they will just give up soon but i believe their strategy is to deter potential P2P users not stop it completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes they can obtain your IP but they can not get access to your computer. With no solid evidence your just another random number amongst millions of others. Think of it as a riot, they can only take pictures of who&#8217;s involved, they cant record footage of the ones inflicting damage on property.</p>
<p>PG is a progressive protection, brick by brick we are creating an annoying barrier &amp; keep in mind they have to pay for each brick we use. hopefully they will just give up soon but i believe their strategy is to deter potential P2P users not stop it completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10613/comment-page-1#comment-131141</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peer Guardian is fine as a program but the blocklist comes from blutack who are a rude bunch of guys who abuse folks they dont agree with , including adding folks IP&#039;s to the blocklist, something they should censored for.

The main point of why their list is so bloated is that they are quick to block IP&#039;s but it seems they have never heard of dynamic IP allocation and end up blocking thousands of innocent folks from each other with out of date lists, all in all this policy will only end when they run out of IP,s to block.

They are currently blocking 836 million + seperate IP&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peer Guardian is fine as a program but the blocklist comes from blutack who are a rude bunch of guys who abuse folks they dont agree with , including adding folks IP&#8217;s to the blocklist, something they should censored for.</p>
<p>The main point of why their list is so bloated is that they are quick to block IP&#8217;s but it seems they have never heard of dynamic IP allocation and end up blocking thousands of innocent folks from each other with out of date lists, all in all this policy will only end when they run out of IP,s to block.</p>
<p>They are currently blocking 836 million + seperate IP&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10613/comment-page-1#comment-131037</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 02:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t peerguardian infringe someone else&#039;s patents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t peerguardian infringe someone else&#8217;s patents?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10613/comment-page-1#comment-131033</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve mentioned before ( http://p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&amp;story=4026&amp;comment=10391 ) please dont just run the list from methlabs/peerguardian, there are other lists out there and I&#039;d suggest that if you&#039;re going to try and be &#039;safer&#039; to go all out.

Oh and the program link changed to ( http://www.bluetack.co.uk/modules.php?name=Content&amp;pa=showpage&amp;pid=14 ).

That all said, PG is only a method of stopping the connections to and from your pc to bad ip&#039;s but it does not stop them from knowing your there. For example, if you connect to a torrent - your ip is added to the pool of ip&#039;s shown to be moving a file around, weither they connect to you or not they know your involved in either pulling or pushing the file around.

Same thing with a dc hub or other p2p app, you&#039;re hub or client is still going to be seen - only the connection will be stopped.....

....but...   that&#039;s also if they&#039;re ONLY using known ranges and not migrating to using home-user-type ranges. If they&#039;re doing that (and they are) then the ability to stop them from connecting is moot.

It&#039;s an illusion of safety, nothing more.

If you choose to pull or push anything around the net you dont want the world to watch - you need to use a private client like WASTE ( http://waste.sourceforge.net ) and only move files between trusted friends.

Just my 10 cents,
_-Jile-_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned before ( <a href="http://p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&#038;story=4026&#038;comment=10391" rel="nofollow">http://p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&#038;story=4026&#038;comment=10391</a> ) please dont just run the list from methlabs/peerguardian, there are other lists out there and I&#8217;d suggest that if you&#8217;re going to try and be &#8217;safer&#8217; to go all out.</p>
<p>Oh and the program link changed to ( <a href="http://www.bluetack.co.uk/modules.php?name=Content&#038;pa=showpage&#038;pid=14" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluetack.co.uk/modules.php?name=Content&#038;pa=showpage&#038;pid=14</a> ).</p>
<p>That all said, PG is only a method of stopping the connections to and from your pc to bad ip&#8217;s but it does not stop them from knowing your there. For example, if you connect to a torrent &#8211; your ip is added to the pool of ip&#8217;s shown to be moving a file around, weither they connect to you or not they know your involved in either pulling or pushing the file around.</p>
<p>Same thing with a dc hub or other p2p app, you&#8217;re hub or client is still going to be seen &#8211; only the connection will be stopped&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;.but&#8230;   that&#8217;s also if they&#8217;re ONLY using known ranges and not migrating to using home-user-type ranges. If they&#8217;re doing that (and they are) then the ability to stop them from connecting is moot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an illusion of safety, nothing more.</p>
<p>If you choose to pull or push anything around the net you dont want the world to watch &#8211; you need to use a private client like WASTE ( <a href="http://waste.sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://waste.sourceforge.net</a> ) and only move files between trusted friends.</p>
<p>Just my 10 cents,<br />
_-Jile-_</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10613/comment-page-1#comment-131032</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you think it will save you from copyrightenforcers!

Read why:
http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2006/05/blocklist-balderdash.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you think it will save you from copyrightenforcers!</p>
<p>Read why:<br />
<a href="http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2006/05/blocklist-balderdash.html" rel="nofollow">http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2006/05/blocklist-balderdash.html</a></p>
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