Comments on: Michelle Santangelo judgment http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:47:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132154 Reader's Write Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:30:19 +0000 #comment-132154 didn't change title and can't now :( didn’t change title and can’t now :(

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132153 Reader's Write Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:29:13 +0000 #comment-132153 To whoever wanted the list of artists, they are here, i think i got em all. lit incubus third eye blind UB40 Godsmack foo fighters DMX Janet Jackson The offspring Guns N roses Ludacris Meat loaf Men at work Mariah Carey Nelly DiVinyls Good Charlotte Nirvana SWV K-Ci & Jojo Hanson nirvana Tracy chapman New found glory Jessica Simpson Pearl jam destinys child counting crows michael jackson weezer dixie chicks To whoever wanted the list of artists, they are here, i think i got em all.

lit
incubus
third eye blind
UB40
Godsmack
foo fighters
DMX
Janet Jackson
The offspring
Guns N roses
Ludacris
Meat loaf
Men at work
Mariah Carey
Nelly
DiVinyls
Good Charlotte
Nirvana
SWV
K-Ci & Jojo
Hanson
nirvana
Tracy chapman
New found glory
Jessica Simpson
Pearl jam
destinys child
counting crows
michael jackson
weezer
dixie chicks

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132152 Reader's Write Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:19:08 +0000 #comment-132152 You are forgetting the most blatently OBVIOUS reason. THERE IS A SECTION OF COPYRIGHT LAW THAT STATES NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN AGAINST A CONSUMER FOR NONE COMMERCIAL COPYING. (1008) The judge should have dismissed this suit before it even reached court. Defence lawyers must have spotted this by now surly... we noticed it years ago and have been trying to point it out ever since. -The Digital Douwd- You are forgetting the most blatently OBVIOUS reason.

THERE IS A SECTION OF COPYRIGHT LAW THAT STATES NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN AGAINST A CONSUMER FOR NONE COMMERCIAL COPYING. (1008)

The judge should have dismissed this suit before it even reached court.

Defence lawyers must have spotted this by now surly… we noticed it years ago and have been trying to point it out ever since.

-The Digital Douwd-

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132127 Reader's Write Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:55:04 +0000 #comment-132127 This can only be the result of a perverted law and legal system. The judges should have known that: -Minors that share songs cannot be made responsible for complying with a hidden law and hidden jurisprudence no one understands (the American Copyright Act) and was not designed taking the Internet into account. Even lawyers do not agree how to interpret the many absurd angles in the law. -Ignorance of the law means that one cannot comply with the law. -If the alleged sharing occurred when Michelle was a minor, the lawsuit should have been dismissed. -That Michelle's mother has had to go public to request financial assistance so as to pay her legal expenses. If that is so for the parent, how on earth can it be expected that the child can afford a legal representation and defense. -He should have set up a meeting with Michelle present. A US Marshall should have been made responsible for getting Michelle into court. -The the court should have assigned a defense lawyer to represent Michelle. -The awarded statutory damages are absurd when applied to file sharing. The damages to the copyright holder are actually either almost zero or negative when files are shared. -The accuser of Michelle (Sony) is a massive copyright infringer. See this web page: Venegas v. Sony Copyright Infringement Lawsuit RIAA leader Sony blatantly and repeatedly uses music on 22+ records without any permission from the copyright owners http://rafa_venegas.web.prdigital.com/venegas_v_sony_lawsuit.htm Meaning: Sony went to court with dirty hands. A reason for dismissing their claims against Michelle. -He was ignoring DUE PROCESS. -He was not thinking. This can only be the result of a perverted law and legal system.

The judges should have known that:

-Minors that share songs cannot be made responsible for complying with a hidden law and hidden jurisprudence no one understands (the American Copyright Act) and was not designed taking the Internet into account. Even lawyers do not agree how to interpret the many absurd angles in the law.

-Ignorance of the law means that one cannot comply with the law.

-If the alleged sharing occurred when Michelle was a minor, the lawsuit should have been dismissed.

-That Michelle’s mother has had to go public to request financial assistance so as to pay her legal expenses. If that is so for the parent, how on earth can it be expected that the child can afford a legal representation and defense.

-He should have set up a meeting with Michelle present. A US Marshall should have been made responsible for getting Michelle into court.

-The the court should have assigned a defense lawyer to represent Michelle.

-The awarded statutory damages are absurd when applied to file sharing. The damages to the copyright holder are actually either almost zero or negative when files are shared.

-The accuser of Michelle (Sony) is a massive copyright infringer. See this web page:

Venegas v. Sony Copyright Infringement Lawsuit
RIAA leader Sony blatantly and repeatedly uses music on 22+ records without any permission from the copyright owners

http://rafa_venegas.web.prdigital.com/venegas_v_sony_lawsuit.htm

Meaning: Sony went to court with dirty hands. A reason for dismissing their claims against Michelle.

-He was ignoring DUE PROCESS.

-He was not thinking.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132105 Reader's Write Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:31:36 +0000 #comment-132105 Oooh scary wait til you see my dick Oooh scary

wait til you see my dick

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132085 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:12:10 +0000 #comment-132085 I am pretty sure this will be vacated, and they will be in court. Perhaps this high dollar amount will be shown for how unconstitunionlally high it is when a judge is shown she MIGHT have made about 30 dollars if she had actuallly sold what she is ALLEGED to have distributed. This will be fought. In the meantime, continue to use your best and most powerful weapon against them. your closed wallet. I am pretty sure this will be vacated, and they will be in court.
Perhaps this high dollar amount will be shown for how unconstitunionlally high it is
when a judge is shown she MIGHT have made about 30 dollars if
she had actuallly sold what she is ALLEGED to have distributed.

This will be fought.

In the meantime, continue to use your best and most powerful
weapon against them.

your closed wallet.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132082 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:13:37 +0000 #comment-132082 The corrupt "lawyer" doing that got purchased by RIAA. We life in a sick world. It is not anymore healthy human behaviour dictates us. It is the fucking money makes people greedy and sick all over. The corrupt “lawyer” doing that got purchased by RIAA. We life in a sick world. It is not anymore healthy human behaviour dictates us. It is the fucking money makes people greedy and sick all over.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132081 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:19:14 +0000 #comment-132081 Perhaps the dept of Homeland Security would like to talk to you Eclectica? Considering you represent yourself with an ava of Bin Laden.... Perhaps the dept of Homeland Security would like to talk to you Eclectica? Considering you represent yourself with an ava of Bin Laden….

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132080 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:49:35 +0000 #comment-132080 "Id like to know what 41 songs she downloaded and never buy anything from those artists EVER!!!" a) That's not hard to find out. Just read the actual courtpaper page 2, 3, and 4 (the pdf second link in above article!) to find out the songs. b) but if you are serious with what you wrote here, you would have consequently stopped buying anything that is produced by those guys, that form the RIAA and sues children, the sick and even the dead, long ago! The easy to use tools to act like an informed customer are availiable: www.riaaradar.com c) the RIAA guys have nothing to offer that is existential for US to exist like food or water. So THEY need us and our money to sue us. Everyone that buys just one album from a RIAA member after he have read anything how horrible they act is just as guilty as they are! “Id like to know what 41 songs she downloaded and never buy anything from those artists EVER!!!”

a) That’s not hard to find out. Just read the actual courtpaper page 2, 3, and 4 (the pdf second link in above article!) to find out the songs.

b) but if you are serious with what you wrote here, you would have consequently stopped buying anything that is produced by those guys, that form the RIAA and sues children, the sick and even the dead, long ago! The easy to use tools to act like an informed customer are availiable: http://www.riaaradar.com

c) the RIAA guys have nothing to offer that is existential for US to exist like food or water. So THEY need us and our money to sue us. Everyone that buys just one album from a RIAA member after he have read anything how horrible they act is just as guilty as they are!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132077 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:20:33 +0000 #comment-132077 You're right. If it were in Iraq they would have beheaded Cary Sherman and Mitch Bainwol already and that would have put a stop to the lawsuits. Maybe we Americans are too comfortable because we aren't willing to spill blood to protect our freedom. You’re right. If it were in Iraq they would have beheaded Cary Sherman and Mitch Bainwol already and that would have put a stop to the lawsuits. Maybe we Americans are too comfortable because we aren’t willing to spill blood to protect our freedom.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132076 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:03:31 +0000 #comment-132076 well not that i dont think its a good idea..... FYI, threatening people doesn't constitute free speech, at least in most countries well not that i dont think its a good idea….. FYI, threatening people doesn’t constitute free speech, at least in most countries

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132067 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:50:05 +0000 #comment-132067 The day I should get the news I have a terminal disease, and I have so much time to live, knowing that I am going to go down, I won't be afraid of the death penalty, thus I will be taking as many of you with me as I can, and the reasons you were taken down will be known. So if you corporate assholes believe in God, you probably don't, start praying I never get a terminal disease or it'll be your asses on the line, and I'll make sure it hurts. BTW, Torpark rocks, track me down, Ha Ha! You can't. This is freedom of speech anyway, so Kiss my ass. The day I should get the news I have a terminal disease, and I have so much time to live, knowing that I am going to go down, I won’t be afraid of the death penalty, thus I will be taking as many of you with me as I can, and the reasons you were taken down will be known. So if you corporate assholes believe in God, you probably don’t, start praying I never get a terminal disease or it’ll be your asses on the line, and I’ll make sure it hurts.

BTW, Torpark rocks, track me down, Ha Ha! You can’t. This is freedom of speech anyway, so Kiss my ass.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132066 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:37:49 +0000 #comment-132066 Id like to know what 41 songs she downloaded and never buy anything from those artists EVER!!! I know its the lables that are behind it but the musicians need to stand up for their fans sometimes. All of the people that are being sued are normal everyday people and none of them are out there selling the mp3s and making money. I wont buy a cd from a major label. Indie music is way better now adays anyways. Id like to know what 41 songs she downloaded and never buy anything from those artists EVER!!! I know its the lables that are behind it but the musicians need to stand up for their fans sometimes. All of the people that are being sued are normal everyday people and none of them are out there selling the mp3s and making money. I wont buy a cd from a major label. Indie music is way better now adays anyways.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132063 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:52:26 +0000 #comment-132063 i don't think a lawyer can represent two seperate people in such a case and thus would require her to get a different lawyer i don’t think a lawyer can represent two seperate people in such a case and thus would require her to get a different lawyer

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/10974/comment-page-1#comment-132061 Reader's Write Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:07:53 +0000 #comment-132061 How could Michelle's attorney allow this to happen? Isn't she represented by the same attorney who represented Patti? How could Michelle’s attorney allow this to happen? Isn’t she represented by the same attorney who represented Patti?

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