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Suzanne Shell vs Internet Achive

p2pnet.net news view:- Ok. So I come across this article about a woman suing the Internet Archive for copying and storing her site. Now, I’m no lawyer, but I think she does have a case.

But in a very strong sense, I also think she’s absolutely barking mad.

First things first: the whole idea of this is pointless. If she’s so concerned about her web site being copied, the simple thing to do is add a robots.txt file to her site to stop anything crawling it. As was stated, robots don’t understand copyright information, all they look for is that file.

So from the word Go, everything’s already looking bad for her. It’s the main thing she can do if she’s really worried about her web site, and she hasn’t done it.

Secondly, there’s a very interesting thing on the IA website FAQ, which backs up the first point rather nicely.

“How can I remove my site’s pages from the Wayback Machine?”

The Internet Archive is not interested in preserving or offering access to Web sites or other Internet documents of persons who do not want their materials in the collection. By placing a simple robots.txt file on your Web server, you can exclude your site from being crawled as well as exclude any historical pages from the Wayback Machine.

Thirdly, and this one’s a no brainer. EVERYONE knows if you put something on the Net, it becomes publically viewable. Anyone with access to the Net, whether mobile phone, laptop, desktop PC, anything, can see it.

If you don’t want it seen, then don’t publish it!

As far as I’m concerned, once you put something online, it instantly becomes public property. You’ve just given the public permission to view it and copy it.

Why do I say copy it? Well, I’ve just looked at her web site. Now if she’s serious about this, I’m going to sit here and expect her to file a lawsuit against me for copying her website because Internet Explorer has just cached the whole thing, and I have a copy of her site sat on my hard drive.

Smooth…

She seems to think her site is special, too.

“This web site is licensed to be viewed on a computer only.”

I’d love to see a copy of this license that says I can only view it on a computer, though I’d hope it details what kind of computer, because computers come in quite a variety of forms these days. Laptop computers, Palmtop computers, Ultra-Mobile computers.

I suppose you could call the PS3 a computer if you want: you can run
Linux on it. Sorry, but you have no control over what it is viewed on …..

Oh wait, I just copied that text from her website. There’s another
thing to add to my lawsuit… Not that it’ll work, because US law has
no effect over here in England.

Sorry, love, but you haven’t got a leg to stand on here. Whether you say it’s copyright or not, you haven’t taken any obvious steps to prevent it from being copied. And unless you’re willing to sue everyone who visits your site, you don’t stand a chance.

Let’s hope common sense wins here, and she stops this pointless lawsuit and saves her money.

Daniel Hudson – p2pnet
[Hudson (huds601 - danhudson89 [at] gmail.com) is a UK Student who’s taking a BTEC National Diploma in IT, and who says he’s, “highly passionate about Bittorrent, Technology, and freedom of speech.”]

[A Reader's Wite says: "Suzanne Shell has a degree in computer programming. She left out the robot.txt on purpose. also www.profane-justice.org owns a website http://badadvocates.com/ proving what kind of person she is .. billy - http://thetruthistold.com - Ed]

Also See:
copying and storingWoman sues WayBack Machine, March 17, 2007

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7 Responses to “Suzanne Shell vs Internet Achive”

  1. Reader's Write Says:

    sex change operation! I hope this individual LO$E$. Can YOU say, “Frivolous Lawsuit”? What a wa$te of taxpayers dollar$ even allowing this thing into the court system! Who does she/he think she/he is?…the RIAA?

  2. Reader's Write Says:

    news flash to your story but I think she does have a case my website proves shell is a copyright theif

  3. Reader's Write Says:

    could Suzanne Shell’s be a COPYRIGHT thief?? could her Copyright Notice/Security Agreement be stolen property? you will haft too look at http://thetruthistold.com to find out :+}

  4. Reader's Write Says:

    I’ve spent the past week reading through Ms. Shell’s webpages and public group. To my surprise, I found she has a degree in computer programming and continually brags about her expertise. This leads me to believe Ms. Shell is nothing but a con artist trying to entrap anyone to make an extra buck. I read through page after page of her vicious attacks. She then claimed she was the victim. Her attack on the “iGeeks” was also blamed on others. It is my opinion this woman has no integrity, suffers from multiple personality disorder and should be escorted to the nearest padded cell. Her webpages and group should be shut down for TOS violations as a service to humanity.

  5. Reader's Write Says:

    Suzanne Shell v. American Family Rights Association et al

    Lawsuit Details

    RFC Case Number: C-S09-309A
    Court Case Number: 1:09-cv-00309-MSK
    File Date: Friday, February 13, 2009
    Plaintiff: Suzanne Shell
    Plaintiff Counsel: Suzanne Shell – Pro Se
    Defendant: American Family Rights Association
    William O. Tower
    Ann Tower
    Leonard Henderson
    Susan Adams Jackson
    Cletus Kiefer
    Families At Risk Defense Alliance
    Francine Renee Cygan
    Mark Cygan
    Illinois Family Advocacy Coalition
    Dorothy Kernaghan-Baez
    Dennis Hinger
    Aimee Dutkiewicz
    Thomas Dutkiewicz
    William Wiseman
    Wiseman Studios
    Ann Durand
    Brenda Swallow
    Kathy Tilley
    Dee Contreras
    Randall Blair
    Lloyd Phillips
    Ringo Kamens
    Cheryl Barnes
    CPSWatch, Inc.
    Desere’ Clabo
    Sarah Thompson
    Georgia Family Rights, Inc.
    National Association of Family Advocates
    Connecticut DCF Watch
    Cause: 17:101 Copyright Infringement
    Court: Colorado District Court
    Judge: Marcia S. Krieger
    Referred To: Magistrate Judge Kathleen M. Tafoya
    http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=44247

  6. Dee Says:

    Obviously “someone” is trying to send a message that any comments made about Ms. Shell will result in a lawsuit. Even NOT making a comment can get your name listed, apparently. Why is this not spam, flaming, attacking others, trolling and posting off-topic?

  7. Polly Flinders Says:

    The law changes in my state in July… I am counting the days… CYBERSTALKING……. IS A CRIME PUNISHABLE by jail. Hey SUZIE I think them orange jump suits ain’t gonna fit your BAD FAT AZZ…… OH MY GOD THERE REALLY WILL BE A GREAT PUMPKIN COME THIS HALLOWS EVE!!!!!!!!!!! Mark your Calendar Oct 2009 there will be pumpkin guts being splayed as she begs mercy and forgiveness…. me is gonna make some pies… freeze um and throw them in her face when she gets outa jail…. anyone got freezer space for a few dozen pies?

    CHARLIE BROWN WATCH OUT the FAT PUMPKIN LADY… she has POISON CANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No don’t drink her koolaid…or take her candy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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