Comments on: Examining p2pnet’s Sultans of Spin http://www.p2pnet.net/story/11968 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:33:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/11968/comment-page-1#comment-137080 Reader's Write Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:07:08 +0000 #comment-137080 " What agenda does this clandestine US businessman have? You helping him in a lawsuit? You publicising his positions and business? Where are your ethics man? " What's your agenda ? Who are you, brave one :) " Do you jump when he says jump? and how high? Which articles is he placing? Which articles is he vetting? What stories are NOT being told because he owns your ass? " Who are you jumping for ? If what you say is true about THIS site .. why is YOUR post still here ? :) " You owe it to your readers to be honest? What is more inportant? Your honesty or his money? Why keep his identity a secret? " Well, why keep YOURS a secret ? What are YOU afraid of ... :) " How do we know its not the RIAA? or a Lawyer? " How do we know YOU are not the RIAA or a Lawyer .. actually, that's redundant. The RIAA members are all Lawyers. " And by the way, when we are on the subject of honesty, when you reply, Jon, as you always do, lets not pretend to be a reader defending their hero from a troll. If you want to reply, be man enough to reply in your own name " Who are you pretending to be ? At least we know you enjoy strawmen. Well, who are you then . Will you do as you ask others to do ? Dreddsnik Boycitt-riaa.com ” What agenda does this clandestine US businessman have? You helping him in a lawsuit? You publicising his positions and business? Where are your ethics man? ”

What’s your agenda ?
Who are you, brave one :)

” Do you jump when he says jump? and how high? Which articles is he placing? Which articles is he vetting? What stories are NOT being told because he owns your ass? ”

Who are you jumping for ?
If what you say is true about THIS site .. why is YOUR
post still here ? :)

” You owe it to your readers to be honest? What is more inportant? Your honesty or his money? Why keep his identity a secret? ”

Well, why keep YOURS a secret ?
What are YOU afraid of … :)

” How do we know its not the RIAA? or a Lawyer? ”

How do we know YOU are not the RIAA or a Lawyer ..
actually, that’s redundant. The RIAA members are all
Lawyers.

” And by the way, when we are on the subject of honesty, when you reply, Jon, as you always do, lets not pretend to be a reader defending their hero from a troll. If you want to reply, be man enough to reply in your own name ”

Who are you pretending to be ?
At least we know you enjoy strawmen.
Well, who are you then . Will you do as you ask others to
do ?

Dreddsnik
Boycitt-riaa.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/11968/comment-page-1#comment-137069 Reader's Write Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:57:26 +0000 #comment-137069 You are such a hypocrite! Someone else is spinning you say. Look in the mirror! the only reason you are still online is because your whole endeavour is currently being wholly supported by a US businessman who, for the time being, "prefers" to remain anonymous. You cannot stay in business on your own merit. For the time being what else do you want to conceal from your readers? Honesty? No spin from you? and ethics my arse! What agenda does this clandestine US businessman have? You helping him in a lawsuit? You publicising his positions and business? Where are your ethics man? Do you jump when he says jump? and how high? Which articles is he placing? Which articles is he vetting? What stories are NOT being told because he owns your ass? You owe it to your readers to be honest? What is more inportant? Your honesty or his money? Why keep his identity a secret? Too much of a coward to face the music if the anonymous benefactor is exposed? How do we know its not the RIAA? or a Lawyer? You are a joke of a journalist if you refuse to disclose the very source of your existence. And by the way, when we are on the subject of honesty, when you reply, Jon, as you always do, lets not pretend to be a reader defending their hero from a troll. If you want to reply, be man enough to reply in your own name You are such a hypocrite! Someone else is spinning you say. Look in the mirror!

the only reason you are still online is because your whole endeavour is currently being wholly supported by a US businessman who, for the time being, “prefers” to remain anonymous. You cannot stay in business on your own merit.

For the time being what else do you want to conceal from your readers? Honesty? No spin from you? and ethics my arse!

What agenda does this clandestine US businessman have? You helping him in a lawsuit? You publicising his positions and business? Where are your ethics man?

Do you jump when he says jump? and how high? Which articles is he placing? Which articles is he vetting? What stories are NOT being told because he owns your ass?

You owe it to your readers to be honest? What is more inportant? Your honesty or his money? Why keep his identity a secret?

Too much of a coward to face the music if the anonymous benefactor is exposed?

How do we know its not the RIAA? or a Lawyer?

You are a joke of a journalist if you refuse to disclose the very source of your existence.

And by the way, when we are on the subject of honesty, when you reply, Jon, as you always do, lets not pretend to be a reader defending their hero from a troll. If you want to reply, be man enough to reply in your own name

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/11968/comment-page-1#comment-136980 Reader's Write Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:32:30 +0000 #comment-136980 I very much agree with the sentiments above - this survey never claimed to represent the views of the population at large it is clearly directed to a target audience and is a valid inquiry in its own right. I for one was happy to contribute largely as an act of self expression given the distrust I have of the RIAA sponsored polls and their lack of relevant questions and general failure to capture the information that I wish to express. I think this survey has a strong methodological basis and shouldnt be confused with other surveys in the field that seek to produce different illustrations. I thank you for the opportunity to participate, I would gladly contribute to other such ventures in the future. I very much agree with the sentiments above – this survey never claimed to represent the views of the population at large it is clearly directed to a target audience and is a valid inquiry in its own right. I for one was happy to contribute largely as an act of self expression given the distrust I have of the RIAA sponsored polls and their lack of relevant questions and general failure to capture the information that I wish to express. I think this survey has a strong methodological basis and shouldnt be confused with other surveys in the field that seek to produce different illustrations. I thank you for the opportunity to participate, I would gladly contribute to other such ventures in the future.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/11968/comment-page-1#comment-136947 Reader's Write Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:00:57 +0000 #comment-136947 There are many many polls that target the specific group(s) concerned. Over the years I have worked with drug users, homeless people and young people. In all of these jobs I have conducted surveys seeking our clients' responses to the issues that directly affect them. It is a recognised way of getting good information directly relevant to the situations these groups find themselves in. My experience is that we get very honest answers from people precisely because we are seen as independent of the statutory authorities, big business, the legal system etc. We respect the anonymity of the participants and take active measures to ensure that this is maintained. We also generally try and build a relationship of trust with the groups. Whilst we may have built up professional relationships with some of the people being surveyed, we have always provided mechanisms for anonymous responses and feedback, something that has helped maintain our integrity and ensure that we have a good reputation amongst the target communities. All of which seems remarkably similar to the approach you have taken with your poll. I applaud what you've done and I think your resposes to the criticisms of your methodology are spot on. Good work and well done! There are many many polls that target the specific group(s) concerned. Over the years I have worked with drug users, homeless people and young people. In all of these jobs I have conducted surveys seeking our clients’ responses to the issues that directly affect them. It is a recognised way of getting good information directly relevant to the situations these groups find themselves in.

My experience is that we get very honest answers from people precisely because we are seen as independent of the statutory authorities, big business, the legal system etc. We respect the anonymity of the participants and take active measures to ensure that this is maintained. We also generally try and build a relationship of trust with the groups. Whilst we may have built up professional relationships with some of the people being surveyed, we have always provided mechanisms for anonymous responses and feedback, something that has helped maintain our integrity and ensure that we have a good reputation amongst the target communities.

All of which seems remarkably similar to the approach you have taken with your poll. I applaud what you’ve done and I think your resposes to the criticisms of your methodology are spot on. Good work and well done!

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