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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12252/comment-page-1#comment-138393</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, and there is this bit too...

&quot;In addition, &quot;Globally, about 40 percent of all movies recorded on camcorders in theatres and then distributed via the Internet and counterfeit DVDs come from Montreal&quot;&quot;

and &quot;In 2006, camcording recordings made in Canada increased 24 percent when compared to 2005.&quot;

(http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/canada.htm)

just my two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, and there is this bit too&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In addition, &#8220;Globally, about 40 percent of all movies recorded on camcorders in theatres and then distributed via the Internet and counterfeit DVDs come from Montreal&#8221;"</p>
<p>and &#8220;In 2006, camcording recordings made in Canada increased 24 percent when compared to 2005.&#8221;</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/canada.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/canada.htm</a>)</p>
<p>just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12252/comment-page-1#comment-138392</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleae feel free to flame me if I am wrong in my understanding of the numbers listed on Havocscopes&#039;s site, and that I miss-understood this article but---

It looks to me, that these rankings are not in order of which country is the cause of piracy, but the ranking of which contry has had the greatest loss due to piracy.

If this is so, these rankings would only explain that the US is the greatest market for pirated goods (it was kinda funny that pirated batteries were a bigger problem than moves, at a whopping $12 mil of revenue loss).  Also according to this article:

&quot;In Fiscal Year 2006, the United States Customs and Border Protection agency seized more than 14,000 counterfeit goods worth more than $155 million.3  81 percent of the goods seized were from China.&quot;

and nowhere in this article does it state that Canada was where these pirated films came from.

just my two cents...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleae feel free to flame me if I am wrong in my understanding of the numbers listed on Havocscopes&#8217;s site, and that I miss-understood this article but&#8212;</p>
<p>It looks to me, that these rankings are not in order of which country is the cause of piracy, but the ranking of which contry has had the greatest loss due to piracy.</p>
<p>If this is so, these rankings would only explain that the US is the greatest market for pirated goods (it was kinda funny that pirated batteries were a bigger problem than moves, at a whopping $12 mil of revenue loss).  Also according to this article:</p>
<p>&#8220;In Fiscal Year 2006, the United States Customs and Border Protection agency seized more than 14,000 counterfeit goods worth more than $155 million.3  81 percent of the goods seized were from China.&#8221;</p>
<p>and nowhere in this article does it state that Canada was where these pirated films came from.</p>
<p>just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12252/comment-page-1#comment-138387</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What it really demonstrates is the effectiveness of the owned media. I.g., The cartels have a heartburn with Fair Use, First Sale, and file sharing. 

Fair Use has all but been eliminated along with First Sale by the use of new laws for digital data. DMCA and DRM have attempted to lock up the product and prevent it from being tampered with to use as you see fit. The customers have turned away from buying largely because of those actions. 

Piracy has always been with us and will continue to be so. Even the cartels recognize that they won&#039;t get rid of it all; ever. So the motion has been to get the most news splash attention getters. You can remember all the crap that came down with Napster, AudioGalaxy, and the ton of others. Following right along with it today is the going after individual file sharers today. 

Shutting of the sources and control is now what is sought, just as it always has been. You can see that in the moving towards special movie players for the Oscars and watermarking of movies in special showings. It&#039;s always been that the best quality movies are leaked from insiders. Camcording is just an attempt at removing the lower end source. It isn&#039;t about true figures and never has been. 

Ever since busts and the like have used inflated and nonsense figures for headlines it has made the practice look more accepted to not only fudge on the numbers but to make them up. The cartels are not and never have been above using adjusted figures. Look at their business practices where the artists or anyone else involved with doing business with them. You&#039;ll never get a straight answer in figures because doing so will expose them either now or down the road to seeing those figures again. There are so many eyes on them now from the public and from insiders who know what is going on, that it gets reported anyway. 

Corporations have been successful in exporting jobs overseas and removing the middleclass job positions from the national market. More and more of the middleclass income jobs have disappeared without more being created at the same rate. It means that much of the middleclass has become lower income earners. Less money means less disposable income to spend for non-necessities. The customer now looks more seriously at bang for buck and passes by more of the impulse buys without purchasing, such as music. Since the product prices are so high for limited quality, that means there are far less buying then in the heydays. 

Corporations are now looking to hedge their income streams by locking in customers as much as possible. You buy a Zune mp3 player you&#039;re stuck with M$. It&#039;s as good an example as any to show the idea.

So camcording is on the list. Doesn&#039;t make much sense because camcording is so low in quality, the industry really isn&#039;t loosing anything. Those that are going to buy a camcorded movie, aren&#039;t going to go the the movies anyway. Nor are they going to buy the dvd from the store as the the quality is so poor. It&#039;s not about lost sales but rather control of the source and distribution lines, just as it has always been. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it really demonstrates is the effectiveness of the owned media. I.g., The cartels have a heartburn with Fair Use, First Sale, and file sharing. </p>
<p>Fair Use has all but been eliminated along with First Sale by the use of new laws for digital data. DMCA and DRM have attempted to lock up the product and prevent it from being tampered with to use as you see fit. The customers have turned away from buying largely because of those actions. </p>
<p>Piracy has always been with us and will continue to be so. Even the cartels recognize that they won&#8217;t get rid of it all; ever. So the motion has been to get the most news splash attention getters. You can remember all the crap that came down with Napster, AudioGalaxy, and the ton of others. Following right along with it today is the going after individual file sharers today. </p>
<p>Shutting of the sources and control is now what is sought, just as it always has been. You can see that in the moving towards special movie players for the Oscars and watermarking of movies in special showings. It&#8217;s always been that the best quality movies are leaked from insiders. Camcording is just an attempt at removing the lower end source. It isn&#8217;t about true figures and never has been. </p>
<p>Ever since busts and the like have used inflated and nonsense figures for headlines it has made the practice look more accepted to not only fudge on the numbers but to make them up. The cartels are not and never have been above using adjusted figures. Look at their business practices where the artists or anyone else involved with doing business with them. You&#8217;ll never get a straight answer in figures because doing so will expose them either now or down the road to seeing those figures again. There are so many eyes on them now from the public and from insiders who know what is going on, that it gets reported anyway. </p>
<p>Corporations have been successful in exporting jobs overseas and removing the middleclass job positions from the national market. More and more of the middleclass income jobs have disappeared without more being created at the same rate. It means that much of the middleclass has become lower income earners. Less money means less disposable income to spend for non-necessities. The customer now looks more seriously at bang for buck and passes by more of the impulse buys without purchasing, such as music. Since the product prices are so high for limited quality, that means there are far less buying then in the heydays. </p>
<p>Corporations are now looking to hedge their income streams by locking in customers as much as possible. You buy a Zune mp3 player you&#8217;re stuck with M$. It&#8217;s as good an example as any to show the idea.</p>
<p>So camcording is on the list. Doesn&#8217;t make much sense because camcording is so low in quality, the industry really isn&#8217;t loosing anything. Those that are going to buy a camcorded movie, aren&#8217;t going to go the the movies anyway. Nor are they going to buy the dvd from the store as the the quality is so poor. It&#8217;s not about lost sales but rather control of the source and distribution lines, just as it has always been.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12252/comment-page-1#comment-138381</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. I&#039;ve  amended the headline.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ve  amended the headline.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12252/comment-page-1#comment-138350</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, the Havoscope statistics refer to piracy in general, not &quot;camcording.&quot;

Not that I honestly believe that Canada is the top spot where &quot;camcording&quot; takes place, or that &quot;camcorded&quot; movies are the most prevalent method of illicit distribution, but the Havoscope statistics aren&#039;t exactly counter-proof of those claims either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, the Havoscope statistics refer to piracy in general, not &#8220;camcording.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that I honestly believe that Canada is the top spot where &#8220;camcording&#8221; takes place, or that &#8220;camcorded&#8221; movies are the most prevalent method of illicit distribution, but the Havoscope statistics aren&#8217;t exactly counter-proof of those claims either.</p>
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