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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12314#comment-138677</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NINE INCH NAILS Frontman Says His Record Company Is Run By 'Thieves'

It's a very odd time to be a musician on a major label, because there's so much resentment towards the record industry that it's hard to position yourself in a place with the fans where you don't look like a greedy asshole. But at the same time, when our record came out I was disappointed at the number of people that actually bought it.

http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves

from the linked story:

You're a bit of a computer geek. You must have been there, too? 

Oh, I understand that -- I steal music too, I'm not gonna say I don't. But it's tough not to resent people for doing it when you're the guy making the music, that would like to reap a benefit from that. On the other hand, you got record labels that are doing everything they can to piss people off and rip them off. I created a little issue down here because the first thing I did when I got to Sydney is I walk into HMV, the week the record's out, and I see it on the rack with a bunch of other releases. And every release I see: $21.99, $22.99, $24.99. And ours doesn't have a sticker on it. I look close and 'Oh, it's $34.99'. So I walk over to see our live DVD Beside You in Time, and I see that it's also priced six, seven, eight dollars more than every other disc on there. And I can't figure out why that would be. 

Did you have a word to anyone? 

Well, in Brisbane I end up meeting and greeting some record label people, who are pleasant enough, and one of them is a sales guy, so I say "Why is this the case?" He goes "Because your packaging is a lot more expensive". I know how much the packaging costs -- it costs me, not them, it costs me 83 cents more to have a CD with the colour-changing ink on it. I'm taking the hit on that, not them. So I said "Well, it doesn't cost $10 more". "Ah, well, you're right, it doesn't. Basically it's because we know you've got a core audience that's gonna buy whatever we put out, so we can charge more for that. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy it. True fans will pay whatever". And I just said "That's the most insulting thing I've heard. I've garnered a core audience that you feel it's OK to rip off? F--- you'. That's also why you don't see any label people here, 'cos I said 'F--- you people. Stay out of my f---ing show. If you wanna come, pay the ticket like anyone else. F--- you guys". They're thieves. I don't blame people for stealing music if this is the kind of s--- that they pull off.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a very odd time to be a musician on a major label, because there&#8217;s so much resentment towards the record industry that it&#8217;s hard to position yourself in a place with the fans where you don&#8217;t look like a greedy asshole. But at the same time, when our record came out I was disappointed at the number of people that actually bought it.</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves</a></p>
<p>from the linked story:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bit of a computer geek. You must have been there, too? </p>
<p>Oh, I understand that &#8212; I steal music too, I&#8217;m not gonna say I don&#8217;t. But it&#8217;s tough not to resent people for doing it when you&#8217;re the guy making the music, that would like to reap a benefit from that. On the other hand, you got record labels that are doing everything they can to piss people off and rip them off. I created a little issue down here because the first thing I did when I got to Sydney is I walk into HMV, the week the record&#8217;s out, and I see it on the rack with a bunch of other releases. And every release I see: $21.99, $22.99, $24.99. And ours doesn&#8217;t have a sticker on it. I look close and &#8216;Oh, it&#8217;s $34.99&#8242;. So I walk over to see our live DVD Beside You in Time, and I see that it&#8217;s also priced six, seven, eight dollars more than every other disc on there. And I can&#8217;t figure out why that would be. </p>
<p>Did you have a word to anyone? </p>
<p>Well, in Brisbane I end up meeting and greeting some record label people, who are pleasant enough, and one of them is a sales guy, so I say &#8220;Why is this the case?&#8221; He goes &#8220;Because your packaging is a lot more expensive&#8221;. I know how much the packaging costs &#8212; it costs me, not them, it costs me 83 cents more to have a CD with the colour-changing ink on it. I&#8217;m taking the hit on that, not them. So I said &#8220;Well, it doesn&#8217;t cost $10 more&#8221;. &#8220;Ah, well, you&#8217;re right, it doesn&#8217;t. Basically it&#8217;s because we know you&#8217;ve got a core audience that&#8217;s gonna buy whatever we put out, so we can charge more for that. It&#8217;s the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy it. True fans will pay whatever&#8221;. And I just said &#8220;That&#8217;s the most insulting thing I&#8217;ve heard. I&#8217;ve garnered a core audience that you feel it&#8217;s OK to rip off? F&#8212; you&#8217;. That&#8217;s also why you don&#8217;t see any label people here, &#8216;cos I said &#8216;F&#8212; you people. Stay out of my f&#8212;ing show. If you wanna come, pay the ticket like anyone else. F&#8212; you guys&#8221;. They&#8217;re thieves. I don&#8217;t blame people for stealing music if this is the kind of s&#8212; that they pull off.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12314#comment-138673</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It's not about artistry, but commerce."

They (the labels) want all the protection and status afforded COPYRIGHT works of art, but want to be able to market/sell them as commodities. I don't expect to get a poster reproduction of a painting for free, but if they made 10 million of them I expect it to be pretty damn cheap, and I sure as hell better not be expected to pay EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not about artistry, but commerce.&#8221;</p>
<p>They (the labels) want all the protection and status afforded COPYRIGHT works of art, but want to be able to market/sell them as commodities. I don&#8217;t expect to get a poster reproduction of a painting for free, but if they made 10 million of them I expect it to be pretty damn cheap, and I sure as hell better not be expected to pay EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT.</p>
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