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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NINE INCH NAILS Frontman Says His Record Company Is Run By &#039;Thieves&#039;

It&#039;s a very odd time to be a musician on a major label, because there&#039;s so much resentment towards the record industry that it&#039;s hard to position yourself in a place with the fans where you don&#039;t look like a greedy asshole. But at the same time, when our record came out I was disappointed at the number of people that actually bought it.

http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves

from the linked story:

You&#039;re a bit of a computer geek. You must have been there, too? 

Oh, I understand that -- I steal music too, I&#039;m not gonna say I don&#039;t. But it&#039;s tough not to resent people for doing it when you&#039;re the guy making the music, that would like to reap a benefit from that. On the other hand, you got record labels that are doing everything they can to piss people off and rip them off. I created a little issue down here because the first thing I did when I got to Sydney is I walk into HMV, the week the record&#039;s out, and I see it on the rack with a bunch of other releases. And every release I see: $21.99, $22.99, $24.99. And ours doesn&#039;t have a sticker on it. I look close and &#039;Oh, it&#039;s $34.99&#039;. So I walk over to see our live DVD Beside You in Time, and I see that it&#039;s also priced six, seven, eight dollars more than every other disc on there. And I can&#039;t figure out why that would be. 

Did you have a word to anyone? 

Well, in Brisbane I end up meeting and greeting some record label people, who are pleasant enough, and one of them is a sales guy, so I say &quot;Why is this the case?&quot; He goes &quot;Because your packaging is a lot more expensive&quot;. I know how much the packaging costs -- it costs me, not them, it costs me 83 cents more to have a CD with the colour-changing ink on it. I&#039;m taking the hit on that, not them. So I said &quot;Well, it doesn&#039;t cost $10 more&quot;. &quot;Ah, well, you&#039;re right, it doesn&#039;t. Basically it&#039;s because we know you&#039;ve got a core audience that&#039;s gonna buy whatever we put out, so we can charge more for that. It&#039;s the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy it. True fans will pay whatever&quot;. And I just said &quot;That&#039;s the most insulting thing I&#039;ve heard. I&#039;ve garnered a core audience that you feel it&#039;s OK to rip off? F--- you&#039;. That&#039;s also why you don&#039;t see any label people here, &#039;cos I said &#039;F--- you people. Stay out of my f---ing show. If you wanna come, pay the ticket like anyone else. F--- you guys&quot;. They&#039;re thieves. I don&#039;t blame people for stealing music if this is the kind of s--- that they pull off.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a very odd time to be a musician on a major label, because there&#8217;s so much resentment towards the record industry that it&#8217;s hard to position yourself in a place with the fans where you don&#8217;t look like a greedy asshole. But at the same time, when our record came out I was disappointed at the number of people that actually bought it.</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/music/NINE_INCH_NAILS_Frontman_Says_His_Record_Company_Is_Run_By_Thieves</a></p>
<p>from the linked story:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bit of a computer geek. You must have been there, too? </p>
<p>Oh, I understand that &#8212; I steal music too, I&#8217;m not gonna say I don&#8217;t. But it&#8217;s tough not to resent people for doing it when you&#8217;re the guy making the music, that would like to reap a benefit from that. On the other hand, you got record labels that are doing everything they can to piss people off and rip them off. I created a little issue down here because the first thing I did when I got to Sydney is I walk into HMV, the week the record&#8217;s out, and I see it on the rack with a bunch of other releases. And every release I see: $21.99, $22.99, $24.99. And ours doesn&#8217;t have a sticker on it. I look close and &#8216;Oh, it&#8217;s $34.99&#8242;. So I walk over to see our live DVD Beside You in Time, and I see that it&#8217;s also priced six, seven, eight dollars more than every other disc on there. And I can&#8217;t figure out why that would be. </p>
<p>Did you have a word to anyone? </p>
<p>Well, in Brisbane I end up meeting and greeting some record label people, who are pleasant enough, and one of them is a sales guy, so I say &#8220;Why is this the case?&#8221; He goes &#8220;Because your packaging is a lot more expensive&#8221;. I know how much the packaging costs &#8212; it costs me, not them, it costs me 83 cents more to have a CD with the colour-changing ink on it. I&#8217;m taking the hit on that, not them. So I said &#8220;Well, it doesn&#8217;t cost $10 more&#8221;. &#8220;Ah, well, you&#8217;re right, it doesn&#8217;t. Basically it&#8217;s because we know you&#8217;ve got a core audience that&#8217;s gonna buy whatever we put out, so we can charge more for that. It&#8217;s the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy it. True fans will pay whatever&#8221;. And I just said &#8220;That&#8217;s the most insulting thing I&#8217;ve heard. I&#8217;ve garnered a core audience that you feel it&#8217;s OK to rip off? F&#8212; you&#8217;. That&#8217;s also why you don&#8217;t see any label people here, &#8216;cos I said &#8216;F&#8212; you people. Stay out of my f&#8212;ing show. If you wanna come, pay the ticket like anyone else. F&#8212; you guys&#8221;. They&#8217;re thieves. I don&#8217;t blame people for stealing music if this is the kind of s&#8212; that they pull off.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12314/comment-page-1#comment-138673</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s not about artistry, but commerce.&quot;

They (the labels) want all the protection and status afforded COPYRIGHT works of art, but want to be able to market/sell them as commodities. I don&#039;t expect to get a poster reproduction of a painting for free, but if they made 10 million of them I expect it to be pretty damn cheap, and I sure as hell better not be expected to pay EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not about artistry, but commerce.&#8221;</p>
<p>They (the labels) want all the protection and status afforded COPYRIGHT works of art, but want to be able to market/sell them as commodities. I don&#8217;t expect to get a poster reproduction of a painting for free, but if they made 10 million of them I expect it to be pretty damn cheap, and I sure as hell better not be expected to pay EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT.</p>
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