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		<title>By: AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government For Good &#171; All Things News</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-142394</link>
		<author>AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government For Good &#171; All Things News</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-142394</guid>
		<description>[...] an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-140661</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-140661</guid>
		<description>I live in South Africa and have been using All of MP3's service for some time now. You can import music CD's and movie DVD's privately through legal companies to SA, paying applicable import taxes, at a third of the price that the same items cost in local stores.

Where does South African consumers' money go? To the artists? I think not!

The leading music store in SA, Musica, has decreased all it's "top 20" albums prices by almost a third in the attempt to attract the customers they are losing. How can they afford that, one third, if the pricing is realistic? Also they complain about having to import the music to SA, but the CD's and thier covers are printed locally. So where does the import costs come from?

As long as the people selling music keeps ripping off the consumer and not give the artist thier fair cut, I will keep buying music off the net from Allofmp3 or whoever else is willing to sell it.

And by the way, the last time I checked the artists whose music I bought off the net weren't pourpors, but multi millionairs. So who is really complaining ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in South Africa and have been using All of MP3&#8217;s service for some time now. You can import music CD&#8217;s and movie DVD&#8217;s privately through legal companies to SA, paying applicable import taxes, at a third of the price that the same items cost in local stores.</p>
<p>Where does South African consumers&#8217; money go? To the artists? I think not!</p>
<p>The leading music store in SA, Musica, has decreased all it&#8217;s &#8220;top 20&#8243; albums prices by almost a third in the attempt to attract the customers they are losing. How can they afford that, one third, if the pricing is realistic? Also they complain about having to import the music to SA, but the CD&#8217;s and thier covers are printed locally. So where does the import costs come from?</p>
<p>As long as the people selling music keeps ripping off the consumer and not give the artist thier fair cut, I will keep buying music off the net from Allofmp3 or whoever else is willing to sell it.</p>
<p>And by the way, the last time I checked the artists whose music I bought off the net weren&#8217;t pourpors, but multi millionairs. So who is really complaining ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie Budgell Dot Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139895</link>
		<author>Lennie Budgell Dot Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139895</guid>
		<description>[...] an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139884</link>
		<author>AllOfMP3 Shut Down by Russian Government &#124; TorrentFreak</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139884</guid>
		<description>[...] down the pirate music website [AllOfMP3] that is robbing U.S. recording companies of sales. In an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] down the pirate music website [AllOfMP3] that is robbing U.S. recording companies of sales. In an interview with P2Pnet, the owners of AllOffMP3 later said that Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139476</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139476</guid>
		<description>I logged into to Allofmp3 and was offered to transfer my account to mp3sparks. I haven't been able to use the Allofmp3 for a while because I couldn't add credit. I accepted the transfer and Mp3sparks is an obvious clone of Allofmp3 - which is good. I have been able to add credit using Visa card wihout problem (as of 17th June 07) and I've been downloading again. Looks good to me and seems to be working fine. No download manager available yet but you can use any download manager you want - I'm using Free download Manager and it seems to be working fine.

http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download.htm

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I logged into to Allofmp3 and was offered to transfer my account to mp3sparks. I haven&#8217;t been able to use the Allofmp3 for a while because I couldn&#8217;t add credit. I accepted the transfer and Mp3sparks is an obvious clone of Allofmp3 - which is good. I have been able to add credit using Visa card wihout problem (as of 17th June 07) and I&#8217;ve been downloading again. Looks good to me and seems to be working fine. No download manager available yet but you can use any download manager you want - I&#8217;m using Free download Manager and it seems to be working fine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139086</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139086</guid>
		<description>Since Visa, Mastercard, Diners, and American Express, as well as Paypal won't do business with allofmp3.com, how are they paying for music? The closest I saw was some guy in Australia selling gift vouchers for 150% of face value. 

How are they getting their money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Visa, Mastercard, Diners, and American Express, as well as Paypal won&#8217;t do business with allofmp3.com, how are they paying for music? The closest I saw was some guy in Australia selling gift vouchers for 150% of face value. </p>
<p>How are they getting their money?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139077</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-139077</guid>
		<description>you should check out the allofmp3 alternatives at http://www.aom3.org

Allofmp3 is actually surprisingly expensive compared to other Russian music shops. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should check out the allofmp3 alternatives at <a href="http://www.aom3.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.aom3.org</a></p>
<p>Allofmp3 is actually surprisingly expensive compared to other Russian music shops.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138941</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138941</guid>
		<description>This doesn't help to make this a credible service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t help to make this a credible service!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138939</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138939</guid>
		<description>another opportunity for a troll fart :)

 I see you Gachhy :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another opportunity for a troll fart <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> I see you Gachhy <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138938</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138938</guid>
		<description>" I'm so pleased that you got what you want. The artists, musicians, singers, songwriters, producers got squat ...  "

 Really ?
 You know this how, exactly ??

 AllofMP3 pays a licensing collective a fee.
 Like soundscan in the americas.

 The collective pays the artists .. oops .. the COPYRIGHT HOLDERS 
 which are almost never the actual artist .. like soundscan and their
 ilk are supposed to ( we all know how THAT goes ).

 They abide by russian law .. to the letter.
 The appropriate Russian licensing agencies get the proper payment
 to distribute accordingly.

 Artists get squat because they no longer have any control over
 their work .. all proceeds belong to the label.
 The songwriters usually get their cut .. different collective
 agency.
 The producers get paid in advance .. per Job .. which is deducted
 from whatever royalties the artist is SUPPOSED to get , so the
 producer crap you spew is just that .. crap.

 The labels steal all of the artists pay, and blame everyone else.

 Idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I&#8217;m so pleased that you got what you want. The artists, musicians, singers, songwriters, producers got squat &#8230;  &#8221;</p>
<p> Really ?<br />
 You know this how, exactly ??</p>
<p> AllofMP3 pays a licensing collective a fee.<br />
 Like soundscan in the americas.</p>
<p> The collective pays the artists .. oops .. the COPYRIGHT HOLDERS<br />
 which are almost never the actual artist .. like soundscan and their<br />
 ilk are supposed to ( we all know how THAT goes ).</p>
<p> They abide by russian law .. to the letter.<br />
 The appropriate Russian licensing agencies get the proper payment<br />
 to distribute accordingly.</p>
<p> Artists get squat because they no longer have any control over<br />
 their work .. all proceeds belong to the label.<br />
 The songwriters usually get their cut .. different collective<br />
 agency.<br />
 The producers get paid in advance .. per Job .. which is deducted<br />
 from whatever royalties the artist is SUPPOSED to get , so the<br />
 producer crap you spew is just that .. crap.</p>
<p> The labels steal all of the artists pay, and blame everyone else.</p>
<p> Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138930</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138930</guid>
		<description>It is quite likely that the happy customer you are angry at would prefer that you DID get your fair share of pay. We all need money for our work in order to live and keep up the music production.

The reason you get squat is not because of this person. It is beacuse change is needed.

Please jump on the bandwagon to help change this.
Your comment indicates that you are thinking the way they want you to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite likely that the happy customer you are angry at would prefer that you DID get your fair share of pay. We all need money for our work in order to live and keep up the music production.</p>
<p>The reason you get squat is not because of this person. It is beacuse change is needed.</p>
<p>Please jump on the bandwagon to help change this.<br />
Your comment indicates that you are thinking the way they want you to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138923</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 08:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138923</guid>
		<description>Good interview Jon,

One thing keeps bugging me. Whatâ€™s the reason that the Big 4 focuses on Allofmp3? What about Gomusic, Legalsounds, Mp3Sugar and dozens of other Russian sites selling cheap DRM free MP3?

Allofmp3 may act like everything is under control, but they are caught in the squeeze of the boycott by Credit Card companies. The big 4 haven been very successful in pressuring credit cars companies to refrain from handling payments to Allofmp3.  

Mediaservices, the company behind Allofmp3, have set up a new website named Mp3sparks.com, a clear Allofmp3 clone. The purpose of this move most likely is to get the cash flowing again. Unlike Allofmp3, Mp3Sparks is licensed by FAIR. The credit card processor Chronopay declared a few months ago that they will only do business with download stores licensed by FAIR. For a while this move helped. Users of Mp3Sparks could pay via their credit card. Allofmp3users even were invited to have their account transferred from Allofmp3 to Mp3Sparks. Somehow something went wrong, payment by credit card is no longer possible. A few users have been able to pay but not via Chronopay. Their payments were handled by eCentru another Russian payment processor.

Maybe your contact at Allofmp3 can explain whatâ€™s happening? 
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good interview Jon,</p>
<p>One thing keeps bugging me. Whatâ€™s the reason that the Big 4 focuses on Allofmp3? What about Gomusic, Legalsounds, Mp3Sugar and dozens of other Russian sites selling cheap DRM free MP3?</p>
<p>Allofmp3 may act like everything is under control, but they are caught in the squeeze of the boycott by Credit Card companies. The big 4 haven been very successful in pressuring credit cars companies to refrain from handling payments to Allofmp3.  </p>
<p>Mediaservices, the company behind Allofmp3, have set up a new website named Mp3sparks.com, a clear Allofmp3 clone. The purpose of this move most likely is to get the cash flowing again. Unlike Allofmp3, Mp3Sparks is licensed by FAIR. The credit card processor Chronopay declared a few months ago that they will only do business with download stores licensed by FAIR. For a while this move helped. Users of Mp3Sparks could pay via their credit card. Allofmp3users even were invited to have their account transferred from Allofmp3 to Mp3Sparks. Somehow something went wrong, payment by credit card is no longer possible. A few users have been able to pay but not via Chronopay. Their payments were handled by eCentru another Russian payment processor.</p>
<p>Maybe your contact at Allofmp3 can explain whatâ€™s happening?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138922</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138922</guid>
		<description>Why should the population of a country subsidise private companies? Whether it be through storage media taxes, or internet connection levies. 

It's a specious rationale to suggest that because a medium can potentially store/transmit audio data, it should be taxed/levied.

And what about other businesses? What about book authors? Books can  potentially stored on these same devices. Are these taxes being shared amongst them? The list is limitless...

What about shops which have a percentage of their stock stolen through shoplifting? Will the government tax the population further to compensate them? If they are doing it for the music business, why not everyone else?. Oh, i forgot, the entertainment business buys/rents politicians, and has pervasive lobby groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the population of a country subsidise private companies? Whether it be through storage media taxes, or internet connection levies. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a specious rationale to suggest that because a medium can potentially store/transmit audio data, it should be taxed/levied.</p>
<p>And what about other businesses? What about book authors? Books can  potentially stored on these same devices. Are these taxes being shared amongst them? The list is limitless&#8230;</p>
<p>What about shops which have a percentage of their stock stolen through shoplifting? Will the government tax the population further to compensate them? If they are doing it for the music business, why not everyone else?. Oh, i forgot, the entertainment business buys/rents politicians, and has pervasive lobby groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138920</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138920</guid>
		<description>I'm so pleased that you got what you want.  The artists, musicians, singers, songwriters, producers got squat ... But, as long as YOU are happy, that's all that matters.  Right?

I wonder if you would mind if I stole your paycheck every week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so pleased that you got what you want.  The artists, musicians, singers, songwriters, producers got squat &#8230; But, as long as YOU are happy, that&#8217;s all that matters.  Right?</p>
<p>I wonder if you would mind if I stole your paycheck every week!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138914</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138914</guid>
		<description>This is the best article I've read on P2Pnet yet.  Kudos Jon!

I've only purchased music from one online retailer - AllOfMP3.  Their prices were incredible, I chose from an array of formats and bitrates, there was no DRM, and the service was prompt and of high quality.

AllOfMP3 has ruined all other online music retailers for me forever.  Except for the lousy site organization (as of 3 years ago) I can't imagine a more pleasurable music shopping experience.

$5 got me 3 albums and some singles.  If a used CD costs me about $10, shouldn't an intangible, reproducible file with the same content cost far, far less?

Long live AllOfMP3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the best article I&#8217;ve read on P2Pnet yet.  Kudos Jon!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only purchased music from one online retailer - AllOfMP3.  Their prices were incredible, I chose from an array of formats and bitrates, there was no DRM, and the service was prompt and of high quality.</p>
<p>AllOfMP3 has ruined all other online music retailers for me forever.  Except for the lousy site organization (as of 3 years ago) I can&#8217;t imagine a more pleasurable music shopping experience.</p>
<p>$5 got me 3 albums and some singles.  If a used CD costs me about $10, shouldn&#8217;t an intangible, reproducible file with the same content cost far, far less?</p>
<p>Long live AllOfMP3.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138903</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138903</guid>
		<description>The EFF came up with a similar idea of voluntary collective licensing, only it was written back in 2003 when it was not yet obvious that the movie, TV, and software industries would follow the same path of destruction as the music industry, so their idea sadly only applies to music.
http://www.eff.org/share/?f=collective_lic_wp.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EFF came up with a similar idea of voluntary collective licensing, only it was written back in 2003 when it was not yet obvious that the movie, TV, and software industries would follow the same path of destruction as the music industry, so their idea sadly only applies to music.<br />
<a href="http://www.eff.org/share/?f=collective_lic_wp.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/share/?f=collective_lic_wp.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138892</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138892</guid>
		<description>This is just another excuse for another John Newton rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another excuse for another John Newton rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138841</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 12:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12348#comment-138841</guid>
		<description>Ignore the jurisdictional issues for the moment -- while AllOfMP3.com may be perfectly legal for Russian customers, it is not legal for them to sell to foreign customers.  Copyright and licensing need to be analysed domestically, and you can't say that what is legal in Russia allows you to do something in Canada or the USA.



Canadians should read this closely as this relates to the type of objections that the major labels have against Canada's Private Copying regime.  Unfortunately, unlike in Russia, many Canadians seem to be opposed to this regime as well -- they appear to prefer lawsuits to levies for recorded music.

On the other hand, I wish the levies were moved from legacy recording media (that's now how we share music now) and moved to a voluntary system where those who wish to non-commercially share music, movies or television (including mashups) would pay a flat-fee to a collective society (likely through the ISP as part of the monthly service charge to make things simpler).

We also need a compulsory regime for commercial Internet download and Internet radio.  I disagree with the industry executives that claim that the current system of private negotiations is working out well.


For those in the USA, think of the "Save Internet Radio" which is based on the same issue (although it is streaming rather than downloads).   Collective licensing rates are being set so high by the US government that it will drive the big net radio stations to have to make special deals with the major labels.  The net result:  The redundant labels make a lot of money, and the actual composer and musician make far less money.  While the rate was set far too high, the compulsory license had a formula that was far more fair in terms of the percentages that the composer and musician would make.




As is the case for most of the battles involving music these days, the target of the labels isn't "piracy" but attacks against the interests of composers and musicians.  Even though labels are redundant in the new economy (only needed to finance the historically high costs of recording, editing and distributing recorded content), they want to take the lions share of any music industry money and keep composers and musicians poor.

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore the jurisdictional issues for the moment &#8212; while AllOfMP3.com may be perfectly legal for Russian customers, it is not legal for them to sell to foreign customers.  Copyright and licensing need to be analysed domestically, and you can&#8217;t say that what is legal in Russia allows you to do something in Canada or the USA.</p>
<p>Canadians should read this closely as this relates to the type of objections that the major labels have against Canada&#8217;s Private Copying regime.  Unfortunately, unlike in Russia, many Canadians seem to be opposed to this regime as well &#8212; they appear to prefer lawsuits to levies for recorded music.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I wish the levies were moved from legacy recording media (that&#8217;s now how we share music now) and moved to a voluntary system where those who wish to non-commercially share music, movies or television (including mashups) would pay a flat-fee to a collective society (likely through the ISP as part of the monthly service charge to make things simpler).</p>
<p>We also need a compulsory regime for commercial Internet download and Internet radio.  I disagree with the industry executives that claim that the current system of private negotiations is working out well.</p>
<p>For those in the USA, think of the &#8220;Save Internet Radio&#8221; which is based on the same issue (although it is streaming rather than downloads).   Collective licensing rates are being set so high by the US government that it will drive the big net radio stations to have to make special deals with the major labels.  The net result:  The redundant labels make a lot of money, and the actual composer and musician make far less money.  While the rate was set far too high, the compulsory license had a formula that was far more fair in terms of the percentages that the composer and musician would make.</p>
<p>As is the case for most of the battles involving music these days, the target of the labels isn&#8217;t &#8220;piracy&#8221; but attacks against the interests of composers and musicians.  Even though labels are redundant in the new economy (only needed to finance the historically high costs of recording, editing and distributing recorded content), they want to take the lions share of any music industry money and keep composers and musicians poor.</p>
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