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	<title>Comments on: $400 fine for WiFi piggyback</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-165314</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-165314</guid>
		<description>Don't be ignorant, you all just want an excuse to get away with free access.
It's blatant common sense, it said, for customers.
If you don't go in, you apparently are not a customer. Therefore the access is not there for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be ignorant, you all just want an excuse to get away with free access.<br />
It&#8217;s blatant common sense, it said, for customers.<br />
If you don&#8217;t go in, you apparently are not a customer. Therefore the access is not there for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-164876</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-164876</guid>
		<description>wow, that state is really weird!
it is so easy to just log into unprotected wifi anywhere, there may be 4 shops with with wifi close by, all open to anyone, but to actually use one you must go to that shop, how bizzare. dont most commercial enterprises know about wifi protection, if its an open connection why is it illegal to use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, that state is really weird!<br />
it is so easy to just log into unprotected wifi anywhere, there may be 4 shops with with wifi close by, all open to anyone, but to actually use one you must go to that shop, how bizzare. dont most commercial enterprises know about wifi protection, if its an open connection why is it illegal to use it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139382</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139382</guid>
		<description>This guy shouldn't have been using public Wi-Fi for something as private as e-mail access in the first place.  Along with making the connection accessible to anyone, the lack of wireless security means that your transmissions are in the clear.  Someone else in that coffee shop could have easily intercepted his e-mail messages and read them.  It is for this reason that I refuse to use my campus' wireless network.  Sure, I'm required to log in with a Web portal first, but the connection itself is unencrypted and can easily be seen by eavesdroppers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy shouldn&#8217;t have been using public Wi-Fi for something as private as e-mail access in the first place.  Along with making the connection accessible to anyone, the lack of wireless security means that your transmissions are in the clear.  Someone else in that coffee shop could have easily intercepted his e-mail messages and read them.  It is for this reason that I refuse to use my campus&#8217; wireless network.  Sure, I&#8217;m required to log in with a Web portal first, but the connection itself is unencrypted and can easily be seen by eavesdroppers.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139303</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139303</guid>
		<description>If I was the man, I would have fought the crap out of it in court. "They run an open access point, and if they don't want just anyone to be able to get on it, they know that they can turn on the wireless security.  They left the wireless wide open, and I didn't cause any harm to the company nor did I put enough stress on their equipment to reduce the quality of service for others.  A publicly accessible wireless access point is no different than a set of publicly accessible kiosks outside a store--it is out in the open, ready for public use.  They chose to not make it private, and if they feel that I have damaged them, it is their responsibility to sue me for it.  The State doesn't have a law explicitly preventing me from using a network resource that is wide open to the public, either, so it isn't the State's job to prosecute me either."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was the man, I would have fought the crap out of it in court. &#8220;They run an open access point, and if they don&#8217;t want just anyone to be able to get on it, they know that they can turn on the wireless security.  They left the wireless wide open, and I didn&#8217;t cause any harm to the company nor did I put enough stress on their equipment to reduce the quality of service for others.  A publicly accessible wireless access point is no different than a set of publicly accessible kiosks outside a store&#8211;it is out in the open, ready for public use.  They chose to not make it private, and if they feel that I have damaged them, it is their responsibility to sue me for it.  The State doesn&#8217;t have a law explicitly preventing me from using a network resource that is wide open to the public, either, so it isn&#8217;t the State&#8217;s job to prosecute me either.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139302</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139302</guid>
		<description>That's the de facto standard in the now-wireless-aware age.  Everyone who has a wireless network generally KNOWS that "wireless security" exists, and that it needs to be set up.  The books with the router tells you that you should set it up.  You'd have to be pretty out of touch AND fail to read the instructions to "unknowingly" operate an open wireless access point these days.  Look, when I have 70-year-olds that don't know much at all about the computer asking me if I will be sure to turn on the security on the router, I think it's fairly safe to say that it's common knowledge at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the de facto standard in the now-wireless-aware age.  Everyone who has a wireless network generally KNOWS that &#8220;wireless security&#8221; exists, and that it needs to be set up.  The books with the router tells you that you should set it up.  You&#8217;d have to be pretty out of touch AND fail to read the instructions to &#8220;unknowingly&#8221; operate an open wireless access point these days.  Look, when I have 70-year-olds that don&#8217;t know much at all about the computer asking me if I will be sure to turn on the security on the router, I think it&#8217;s fairly safe to say that it&#8217;s common knowledge at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139293</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139293</guid>
		<description>The way I see it is this:  If you run a Wifi Network and DON'T have security on it (wep, wpa, etc)  Then you are really saying, "free unrestricted wifi, come and get it."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it is this:  If you run a Wifi Network and DON&#8217;T have security on it (wep, wpa, etc)  Then you are really saying, &#8220;free unrestricted wifi, come and get it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139292</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139292</guid>
		<description>If he'd popped in to the shop to check his horoscope in the paper, the shop would probably let him off with a curt "hey, don't you think you should buy a coffee once in a while?". Even if he'd actually stolen a packet of sugar every day, they probably wouldn't have called the police. Yet this alleged crime is similar in nature, and amounted to "theft" of far, far less than the cost of that hypothetical packet of sugar.

To be fair to the cop though, he probably doesn't realise what an immensely trivial operation checking your email is. I've got to wonder too, if that "crime" had a side-serving of traffic hazard, and this was an excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he&#8217;d popped in to the shop to check his horoscope in the paper, the shop would probably let him off with a curt &#8220;hey, don&#8217;t you think you should buy a coffee once in a while?&#8221;. Even if he&#8217;d actually stolen a packet of sugar every day, they probably wouldn&#8217;t have called the police. Yet this alleged crime is similar in nature, and amounted to &#8220;theft&#8221; of far, far less than the cost of that hypothetical packet of sugar.</p>
<p>To be fair to the cop though, he probably doesn&#8217;t realise what an immensely trivial operation checking your email is. I&#8217;ve got to wonder too, if that &#8220;crime&#8221; had a side-serving of traffic hazard, and this was an excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139289</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139289</guid>
		<description>What really bothers me is this mentality of
"I had a feeling a law was being broken," ..."but I didn't know exactly what." 

This is really stupid.  A man is sitting in his car using his computer, and he is guilty of "something"?

He accessed the network in broad daylight, and he was connected to an open wireless.  Which makes one wonder what will happen if more and more people strt using the FON WiFi routers and share their networks.

Will people using these networks also be arrested for "maybe breaking the law"?

These Gestappo-like tactics by porlice, military and Government is going overboard. 

Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really bothers me is this mentality of<br />
&#8220;I had a feeling a law was being broken,&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;but I didn&#8217;t know exactly what.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is really stupid.  A man is sitting in his car using his computer, and he is guilty of &#8220;something&#8221;?</p>
<p>He accessed the network in broad daylight, and he was connected to an open wireless.  Which makes one wonder what will happen if more and more people strt using the FON WiFi routers and share their networks.</p>
<p>Will people using these networks also be arrested for &#8220;maybe breaking the law&#8221;?</p>
<p>These Gestappo-like tactics by porlice, military and Government is going overboard. </p>
<p>Just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139286</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12453#comment-139286</guid>
		<description>The way I see this:  If he is inside the store, then signal-access is permitted. If he is not inside the store, then access is not permitted.

I wonder if tired-out souls, who are occasionally known to taking their laptops into the facilities (in The States, "bathroom"), are considered to be "in the (legal environs of the) store. $400 fine!!

Mr. Peterson should take his case to The U.S. Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see this:  If he is inside the store, then signal-access is permitted. If he is not inside the store, then access is not permitted.</p>
<p>I wonder if tired-out souls, who are occasionally known to taking their laptops into the facilities (in The States, &#8220;bathroom&#8221;), are considered to be &#8220;in the (legal environs of the) store. $400 fine!!</p>
<p>Mr. Peterson should take his case to The U.S. Supreme Court.</p>
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