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	<title>Comments on: Ripping from the radio</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-192391</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-192391</guid>
		<description>"The RIAA know that kids cant afford to buy the latest of everything, and they dont care. That means nothing to them. If you dont have the money, then the RIAA could care less about you. Unless of course you are “stealing” then they get their undies all in a twist."

Yeah I agree it all about money and forget everything else!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The RIAA know that kids cant afford to buy the latest of everything, and they dont care. That means nothing to them. If you dont have the money, then the RIAA could care less about you. Unless of course you are “stealing” then they get their undies all in a twist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah I agree it all about money and forget everything else!<br />
<a href="http://www.ethosfrnetwork.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethosfrnetwork.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-7173</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-7173</guid>
		<description>RIAA would fight that harder than they fight 'sharing'. heh! kick em in the slats, then lose a boot up where the sun don't shine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIAA would fight that harder than they fight &#8217;sharing&#8217;. heh! kick em in the slats, then lose a boot up where the sun don&#8217;t shine</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-3950</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-3950</guid>
		<description>any idea of rippers that support vorbis ogg? radio ripper doesnt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any idea of rippers that support vorbis ogg? radio ripper doesnt.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1377</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1377</guid>
		<description>It never used to be a problem because the quality of the recordings were much worse.  I'm old enough (shhhhhh) to remember the crackle hiss and pop of a cassette tape.  Matter of fact, I still have some of them somewhere.  Only time you came near to the quality you have on CD was if you went and spent $10 for a TDK high quality tape...you know those funky metal ones you could use to fend off a mugger if you had to.   But i digress, the RIAA, et all, are upset that we can now copy and get the same quality as what we started out with.  

The RIAA know that kids cant afford to buy the latest of everything, and they dont care.  That means nothing to them.  If you dont have the money, then the RIAA could care less about you.  Unless of course you are "stealing" then they get their undies all in a twist.

I just came across this software but a buddy of mine and i were discussing just this sort of thing.  If i were a better programmer i might've tried to do the same thing.  Glad I didn't.  I like to listen to things that i cant pick up on my second job.  with this i can record programs and put them on my MP3 player and take to work.   I can also, get to hear music the local stations dont really play (my old ass likes techno, etc).

Well anyway, thats my 34 cents.

K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never used to be a problem because the quality of the recordings were much worse.  I&#8217;m old enough (shhhhhh) to remember the crackle hiss and pop of a cassette tape.  Matter of fact, I still have some of them somewhere.  Only time you came near to the quality you have on CD was if you went and spent $10 for a TDK high quality tape&#8230;you know those funky metal ones you could use to fend off a mugger if you had to.   But i digress, the RIAA, et all, are upset that we can now copy and get the same quality as what we started out with.  </p>
<p>The RIAA know that kids cant afford to buy the latest of everything, and they dont care.  That means nothing to them.  If you dont have the money, then the RIAA could care less about you.  Unless of course you are &#8220;stealing&#8221; then they get their undies all in a twist.</p>
<p>I just came across this software but a buddy of mine and i were discussing just this sort of thing.  If i were a better programmer i might&#8217;ve tried to do the same thing.  Glad I didn&#8217;t.  I like to listen to things that i cant pick up on my second job.  with this i can record programs and put them on my MP3 player and take to work.   I can also, get to hear music the local stations dont really play (my old ass likes techno, etc).</p>
<p>Well anyway, thats my 34 cents.</p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1371</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1371</guid>
		<description>Right on.  In the whole supply chain which culminates in a punter buying a CD, there is only *ONE* job that can't be done by anyone else;  and that is singing the song in the first place.  Every other job is transferrable.

It's time to introduce mandatory non-exclusive, non-discriminatory licencing -- in other words, allow ANYONE to send a sum of money directly to the artist, and in return, receive the right to make a permanent copy a piece of music.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on.  In the whole supply chain which culminates in a punter buying a CD, there is only *ONE* job that can&#8217;t be done by anyone else;  and that is singing the song in the first place.  Every other job is transferrable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to introduce mandatory non-exclusive, non-discriminatory licencing &#8212; in other words, allow ANYONE to send a sum of money directly to the artist, and in return, receive the right to make a permanent copy a piece of music.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1369</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1369</guid>
		<description>What I don't get is that it never used to be a problem to record FM radio songs on tape or Mini Disc... What is the big difference in recording em on a computer?  Is it going to be illegal to record TV shows on your computer but encouraged to buy a "plug in the TV" DVD recorder? 

    The RIAA and others don't understand that kids (and others) can't buy ll the CDs, DVDs, Video Games as well as all the latest technology needed to play these... I mean, if you look at the numbers, maybe audio CD sales have dropped a bit, but DVD and video games sales have gone way up... So it really seems to me it is very lame to only blame the internet.
 
   If they go after the producers of Kazaa and such, Why don't they sue apple, microsoft, HP and others for making accessible to the public computer technology which is nothing else but a "digitaliser", one of the greatest recording machine ever? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t get is that it never used to be a problem to record FM radio songs on tape or Mini Disc&#8230; What is the big difference in recording em on a computer?  Is it going to be illegal to record TV shows on your computer but encouraged to buy a &#8220;plug in the TV&#8221; DVD recorder? </p>
<p>    The RIAA and others don&#8217;t understand that kids (and others) can&#8217;t buy ll the CDs, DVDs, Video Games as well as all the latest technology needed to play these&#8230; I mean, if you look at the numbers, maybe audio CD sales have dropped a bit, but DVD and video games sales have gone way up&#8230; So it really seems to me it is very lame to only blame the internet.</p>
<p>   If they go after the producers of Kazaa and such, Why don&#8217;t they sue apple, microsoft, HP and others for making accessible to the public computer technology which is nothing else but a &#8220;digitaliser&#8221;, one of the greatest recording machine ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1368</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1368</guid>
		<description>Good point. I think the brownshirts reference is to the overnight policy-and-uniform change in the Nazi party. On that day, Hitler himself showed up wearing the garb.

Either way, it's ridiculous that they take 94% of the money because they have had the means of pressing the discs and distributing them, etc.  Now distribution costs are essentially $0, and they want to raise prices from $0.99/song. If you lower the price, you'll sell more.  If you raise them, you'll sell less.

They haven't realized that the biscuit wheels fell off the gravy train long ago.

BTW, the app KICKS ASS ! ! ! ! !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I think the brownshirts reference is to the overnight policy-and-uniform change in the Nazi party. On that day, Hitler himself showed up wearing the garb.</p>
<p>Either way, it&#8217;s ridiculous that they take 94% of the money because they have had the means of pressing the discs and distributing them, etc.  Now distribution costs are essentially $0, and they want to raise prices from $0.99/song. If you lower the price, you&#8217;ll sell more.  If you raise them, you&#8217;ll sell less.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t realized that the biscuit wheels fell off the gravy train long ago.</p>
<p>BTW, the app KICKS ASS ! ! ! ! !</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1367</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1367</guid>
		<description>Seems we see gloom of shoutcasting... BTW what about linux port?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems we see gloom of shoutcasting&#8230; BTW what about linux port?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1366</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1366</guid>
		<description>What I'm envisaging is a gadget with a HDD and a USB connector. You plug it into a PC and it pretends to be a USB audio adaptor, something like a SoundBlaster Extigy perhaps. The PC sends PCM audio to it over the USB connection, fully expecting it to be converted to analogue, amplified and listened to. Instead, the gadget is simply writing the raw PCM data to its own hard disk. Maybe it could add WAV headers, maybe it could recompress on-the-fly into MP3 or Ogg Vorbis and write to a flash card instead of a HDD, but those are just details: the main thing is that it's snarfing data that is being broadcast down a bus. 
 
The fun part is that it also pretends to be -- well, it is -- a USB mass storage device. So now you just mount it and read back the raw PCM files. 
 
Alternatively, if you already have the necessary software for playing audio from a stream anyway, why can't you just hack the source code a little so that it outputs data to a regular file as well as or instead of the DSP device?

By the way:  the only file sharing application I have ever used is Apache.  It's great when you get it set up properly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m envisaging is a gadget with a HDD and a USB connector. You plug it into a PC and it pretends to be a USB audio adaptor, something like a SoundBlaster Extigy perhaps. The PC sends PCM audio to it over the USB connection, fully expecting it to be converted to analogue, amplified and listened to. Instead, the gadget is simply writing the raw PCM data to its own hard disk. Maybe it could add WAV headers, maybe it could recompress on-the-fly into MP3 or Ogg Vorbis and write to a flash card instead of a HDD, but those are just details: the main thing is that it&#8217;s snarfing data that is being broadcast down a bus. </p>
<p>The fun part is that it also pretends to be &#8212; well, it is &#8212; a USB mass storage device. So now you just mount it and read back the raw PCM files. </p>
<p>Alternatively, if you already have the necessary software for playing audio from a stream anyway, why can&#8217;t you just hack the source code a little so that it outputs data to a regular file as well as or instead of the DSP device?</p>
<p>By the way:  the only file sharing application I have ever used is Apache.  It&#8217;s great when you get it set up properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1361</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1361</guid>
		<description>If you're referring to Mussolini's Combat Squads, then you meant to say Blackshirts ;).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re referring to Mussolini&#8217;s Combat Squads, then you meant to say Blackshirts ;).</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1360</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1360</guid>
		<description>Wow this thing is awesome! I never know what song to download! This is all taken care of for me because all i have to do is find some decent shoutcast stations and bigity-bam I get great music like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this thing is awesome! I never know what song to download! This is all taken care of for me because all i have to do is find some decent shoutcast stations and bigity-bam I get great music like that!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1358</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1358</guid>
		<description>Quote: "StationRipper is, I believe, an application that has lots of non-infringing uses," he told us.

I agree with his opinion, but I don't think the RIAA would. The same thing has been used in defence of P2P apps. That has not stopped the content "owner" brownshirts from pushing their "legal" thug tactics on P2P developers.

I hope he's right (and I'm wrong).

Way cool sounding app tho. I gotta try it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;StationRipper is, I believe, an application that has lots of non-infringing uses,&#8221; he told us.</p>
<p>I agree with his opinion, but I don&#8217;t think the RIAA would. The same thing has been used in defence of P2P apps. That has not stopped the content &#8220;owner&#8221; brownshirts from pushing their &#8220;legal&#8221; thug tactics on P2P developers.</p>
<p>I hope he&#8217;s right (and I&#8217;m wrong).</p>
<p>Way cool sounding app tho. I gotta try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1357</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1270#comment-1357</guid>
		<description>Huh.  Got this thing a couple of hours ago.  Went out, came back, gotten a BUNCH of MP3's (and they all sound good).  Kinda cool!  Also neat that you just got gobs of music, don't have to figure out WHAT you want, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  Got this thing a couple of hours ago.  Went out, came back, gotten a BUNCH of MP3&#8217;s (and they all sound good).  Kinda cool!  Also neat that you just got gobs of music, don&#8217;t have to figure out WHAT you want, you know?</p>
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