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	<title>Comments on: RIAA legal fees revealed</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Fitzpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-146145</link>
		<author>Matt Fitzpatrick</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-146145</guid>
		<description>&#62; I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel for the amount he earns. $375 is by no means an unusual rate...

I don't think that's the point, here.  This isn't a criticism of how much a partner in a legal firm earns.

Rather, this is an insight into the RIAA litigation method.  Litigate on the cheap, using a collection call center, outrageously misjoined ex parte John Doe lawsuits, and drift net MediaSentry investigation based on bad network science.

Until someone fights it.

Then it's all-out war.  They don't go to just any old attorney, as Debbie Foster did -- Marilyn Barringer-Thompson's rate in Capitol v. Foster: $175 an hour.  They go to the guy in the big corner office on the 41st floor.

Extra irony bonus: When the RIAA loses, they then file objections, then reconsiderations, then requests for discovery, over the reasonableness of the $175 rate.

What we're seeing here is, in fact, a litigation business model eerily similar to the recording industry's business model.  Just as EMI, Sony, Vivendi, and Warner mass produce recordings for pennies apiece, then spend zillions on promotion to entice people to buy, the RIAA mass produces lawsuits for a few dollars per John Doe, then spends zillions against those who fight it to entice people to settle.

This model makes good economic sense, but justice is about fairness, not profit.  I think the courts, especially in recent ex parte John Doe decisions, are beginning to recognize and grow tired of the injustice on a massive scale the RIAA's business model creates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel for the amount he earns. $375 is by no means an unusual rate&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the point, here.  This isn&#8217;t a criticism of how much a partner in a legal firm earns.</p>
<p>Rather, this is an insight into the RIAA litigation method.  Litigate on the cheap, using a collection call center, outrageously misjoined ex parte John Doe lawsuits, and drift net MediaSentry investigation based on bad network science.</p>
<p>Until someone fights it.</p>
<p>Then it&#8217;s all-out war.  They don&#8217;t go to just any old attorney, as Debbie Foster did &#8212; Marilyn Barringer-Thompson&#8217;s rate in Capitol v. Foster: $175 an hour.  They go to the guy in the big corner office on the 41st floor.</p>
<p>Extra irony bonus: When the RIAA loses, they then file objections, then reconsiderations, then requests for discovery, over the reasonableness of the $175 rate.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;re seeing here is, in fact, a litigation business model eerily similar to the recording industry&#8217;s business model.  Just as EMI, Sony, Vivendi, and Warner mass produce recordings for pennies apiece, then spend zillions on promotion to entice people to buy, the RIAA mass produces lawsuits for a few dollars per John Doe, then spends zillions against those who fight it to entice people to settle.</p>
<p>This model makes good economic sense, but justice is about fairness, not profit.  I think the courts, especially in recent ex parte John Doe decisions, are beginning to recognize and grow tired of the injustice on a massive scale the RIAA&#8217;s business model creates.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145199</link>
		<author>Dreddsnik</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145199</guid>
		<description>" Lawyers are paid for their expertise and for using their knowledge to represent their clients to the very best of their abilities. It’s as simple as that. "

 It should be.
 Go visit .. http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/  ...
 Read for a while, and see just how inept MR. Gabriel and staff appear,
 or should I say, have been exposed to be.

 $ 1.50 an hour would be too much.


 Not only that ...
 This SAME lawyer, at 375 dollars and hour, fought the reasonableness of the LESSER fee's
 of the Attorney representing Ms. Foster ( a case that he LOST for his client , I may add. ).

 Not so simple.

 BTW,
 This is only my OPINION and not necessarily the opinion of the site ops or owners.
 The site owner and/or operators have no control or responsibility for MY personal
 opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Lawyers are paid for their expertise and for using their knowledge to represent their clients to the very best of their abilities. It’s as simple as that. &#8221;</p>
<p> It should be.<br />
 Go visit .. <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/</a>  &#8230;<br />
 Read for a while, and see just how inept MR. Gabriel and staff appear,<br />
 or should I say, have been exposed to be.</p>
<p> $ 1.50 an hour would be too much.</p>
<p> Not only that &#8230;<br />
 This SAME lawyer, at 375 dollars and hour, fought the reasonableness of the LESSER fee&#8217;s<br />
 of the Attorney representing Ms. Foster ( a case that he LOST for his client , I may add. ).</p>
<p> Not so simple.</p>
<p> BTW,<br />
 This is only my OPINION and not necessarily the opinion of the site ops or owners.<br />
 The site owner and/or operators have no control or responsibility for MY personal<br />
 opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145160</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145160</guid>
		<description>"I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel"

These lawer area pack of parasites and criminals.

Thank you for exposing their names to th epublic shame.

After them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel&#8221;</p>
<p>These lawer area pack of parasites and criminals.</p>
<p>Thank you for exposing their names to th epublic shame.</p>
<p>After them!</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145124</link>
		<author>ben</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145124</guid>
		<description>I believe Jon was vilifying the RIAA(in addition to other trade orgs), and it's clients, not Mr Gabriel. It might seem a perfectly reasonable sum to a legal professional, however, it's viewed as wholly exorbitant to ordinary people who are being prosecuted by them.

Myself, i am a contract software developer, and regularly charge £250-300 PH. This is fine for large companies, as they have the funds to deal with it. But to the individual, this is a prodigious amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Jon was vilifying the RIAA(in addition to other trade orgs), and it&#8217;s clients, not Mr Gabriel. It might seem a perfectly reasonable sum to a legal professional, however, it&#8217;s viewed as wholly exorbitant to ordinary people who are being prosecuted by them.</p>
<p>Myself, i am a contract software developer, and regularly charge £250-300 PH. This is fine for large companies, as they have the funds to deal with it. But to the individual, this is a prodigious amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145108</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/12830#comment-145108</guid>
		<description>I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel for the amount he earns. $375 is by no means an unusual rate for a senior, or even mid-level, attorney and many are paid far more than that, particularly those who work within the entertainment industries. 

Lawyers are paid for their expertise and for using their knowledge to represent their clients to the very best of their abilities. It's as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that you choose to vilify Mr Gabriel for the amount he earns. $375 is by no means an unusual rate for a senior, or even mid-level, attorney and many are paid far more than that, particularly those who work within the entertainment industries. </p>
<p>Lawyers are paid for their expertise and for using their knowledge to represent their clients to the very best of their abilities. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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