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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your analogies are corrext only in the most vaguest business sense. The real issues are much more complex but just because similiar companies faced circumstances that to you are similiar - the reality is not necesary that history repeats itself - if in fact, it&#039;s even history repeating itself ... whether that&#039;s inexperience on your part or something more, this is not the place to discuss in great detail.

Any real examination would note that Mp3 has already won as the consumer format of choice. If there were no AAC or any other choice, would 90% of the market be MP3 or WMA?

MP3 has already won. Nothing WMA can do will change that? Other than people in Redmond, who actually willingly encodes their store bought CD&#039;s in WMA? A very small number.

Notice that the ipod and hundreds of other payers are called MP# PLAYERS not AAC players or WNA players.

MS can open 1,000 stores - but consumers have already chosen.

Even if Apple decides not to sell AAC tunes, the market for WMA will never cross 5% versus Mp3&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, your analogies are corrext only in the most vaguest business sense. The real issues are much more complex but just because similiar companies faced circumstances that to you are similiar &#8211; the reality is not necesary that history repeats itself &#8211; if in fact, it&#8217;s even history repeating itself &#8230; whether that&#8217;s inexperience on your part or something more, this is not the place to discuss in great detail.</p>
<p>Any real examination would note that Mp3 has already won as the consumer format of choice. If there were no AAC or any other choice, would 90% of the market be MP3 or WMA?</p>
<p>MP3 has already won. Nothing WMA can do will change that? Other than people in Redmond, who actually willingly encodes their store bought CD&#8217;s in WMA? A very small number.</p>
<p>Notice that the ipod and hundreds of other payers are called MP# PLAYERS not AAC players or WNA players.</p>
<p>MS can open 1,000 stores &#8211; but consumers have already chosen.</p>
<p>Even if Apple decides not to sell AAC tunes, the market for WMA will never cross 5% versus Mp3&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1509</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but only AAC tunes with Apple&#039;s DRM will play on iPods.&quot;

not quite.

iPod can play WAV, AIFF, MP3 and any AAC files so long as it can play the DRM used.

iTunes has the option to rip to AAC, and that&#039;s what it uses by default now (IIRC). AAC tracks you rip from your CDs don&#039;t have any DRM in place.

What iPod can&#039;t do, is play tracks with Real&#039;s DRM solution.

Real could quite easily release non protected AAC tracks and they would play fine with iPod, but obviously Satan and all his little wizards at the record companies wouldn&#039;t approve of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but only AAC tunes with Apple&#8217;s DRM will play on iPods.&#8221;</p>
<p>not quite.</p>
<p>iPod can play WAV, AIFF, MP3 and any AAC files so long as it can play the DRM used.</p>
<p>iTunes has the option to rip to AAC, and that&#8217;s what it uses by default now (IIRC). AAC tracks you rip from your CDs don&#8217;t have any DRM in place.</p>
<p>What iPod can&#8217;t do, is play tracks with Real&#8217;s DRM solution.</p>
<p>Real could quite easily release non protected AAC tracks and they would play fine with iPod, but obviously Satan and all his little wizards at the record companies wouldn&#8217;t approve of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the DRM aspect of the ipod is only a small part of the ways that you can put music on your ipod.  remember the ipod supports the most popular formats of all:  mp3s, and ripped CDs.

if itunes loses market share, then apple could easily just add wma support to the ipod.

it would not be harmful to apple at all to license its DRM.  unless the other music services botched the ease of use factor.  but remember, DRM is not an OS, it&#039;s just a part of the ipod.  ipod already works on windows and mac, and on the most popular music downloading services.  all the services are the same, they all provide the same music for the same price.  the only different services are subscription ones, which don&#039;t apply as of now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the DRM aspect of the ipod is only a small part of the ways that you can put music on your ipod.  remember the ipod supports the most popular formats of all:  mp3s, and ripped CDs.</p>
<p>if itunes loses market share, then apple could easily just add wma support to the ipod.</p>
<p>it would not be harmful to apple at all to license its DRM.  unless the other music services botched the ease of use factor.  but remember, DRM is not an OS, it&#8217;s just a part of the ipod.  ipod already works on windows and mac, and on the most popular music downloading services.  all the services are the same, they all provide the same music for the same price.  the only different services are subscription ones, which don&#8217;t apply as of now.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and the VHS vs. Beta format comparison of the past has absolutely no relevance to the digital music format comparison today.  Although Beta might have been the better technology, and even though it was first, it never, ever had any semblance of a commanding presence in the marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and the VHS vs. Beta format comparison of the past has absolutely no relevance to the digital music format comparison today.  Although Beta might have been the better technology, and even though it was first, it never, ever had any semblance of a commanding presence in the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1504</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple has already partnered with HP/Compaq. It is not going it alone with just it&#039;s advert budget. If you must have DRM Apple&#039;s DRM is by far the least obnoxious. Microsoft&#039;s DRM is way too restrictive and uneven and will not win out. People will try it for a while and abandon it in disgust. The choices are Apple&#039;s DRM or illegal downloads, Microsoft is not even in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has already partnered with HP/Compaq. It is not going it alone with just it&#8217;s advert budget. If you must have DRM Apple&#8217;s DRM is by far the least obnoxious. Microsoft&#8217;s DRM is way too restrictive and uneven and will not win out. People will try it for a while and abandon it in disgust. The choices are Apple&#8217;s DRM or illegal downloads, Microsoft is not even in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1500</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How smart these others are to use the windoze media format.  They&#039;ll build so-so businesses and all but one or two will eventually fail.  Then Microsoft will target the survivors and &quot;integrate&quot; its own competing business into its OS and services, all but guaranteeing it the lion&#039;s share of the market. Investors will lose money, people will be thrown out of work, managers will suffer untold stress and drop a few years of their lifespan.

Glaser will have none of this -- that&#039;s why he&#039;s using AAC.  But Real has a pathetic product and corporate image, not to mention being unfriendly towards consumers in general, including Apple users. Real is not worth partnering with.  In fact, if Real goes under, we&#039;ll see more sites with windows media AND QuickTime instead of Real.  Now that would be of some benefit to Apple users.  But I expect Gates will throw Glaser a lifeline (cash) because he&#039;d rather not have that happen.  Cash-strapped Glaser will take it, return to his office and throw up in the rest room.  Then he&#039;ll rationalize it by buying a property in the Hamptons. 

Plus ca change, plus c&#039;est la meme chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How smart these others are to use the windoze media format.  They&#8217;ll build so-so businesses and all but one or two will eventually fail.  Then Microsoft will target the survivors and &#8220;integrate&#8221; its own competing business into its OS and services, all but guaranteeing it the lion&#8217;s share of the market. Investors will lose money, people will be thrown out of work, managers will suffer untold stress and drop a few years of their lifespan.</p>
<p>Glaser will have none of this &#8212; that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s using AAC.  But Real has a pathetic product and corporate image, not to mention being unfriendly towards consumers in general, including Apple users. Real is not worth partnering with.  In fact, if Real goes under, we&#8217;ll see more sites with windows media AND QuickTime instead of Real.  Now that would be of some benefit to Apple users.  But I expect Gates will throw Glaser a lifeline (cash) because he&#8217;d rather not have that happen.  Cash-strapped Glaser will take it, return to his office and throw up in the rest room.  Then he&#8217;ll rationalize it by buying a property in the Hamptons. </p>
<p>Plus ca change, plus c&#8217;est la meme chose.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1496</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If at some point the need for WMA becomes a demand of consumers, Apple will enable it on the iPod.  For right now, nobody cares what format their music is in.  99% of people don&#039;t even know.  Unless Real&#039;s store has songs that iTunes Music Store lacks, why would anyone with an ipod want to use Real?  This isn&#039;t like Windows vs Mac OS at all.  Music is easily converted and distributed in multiple formats where as software is OS-specific and needs major investment to support multiple OSes.

The only thing opening up to real would do is complicate the experience for the user.  What happens when you sync on Realplayer and iTunes with the same device?  Will it duplicate the songs?  Now you have your library split between two desktop apps, which sucks.  Nobody wants that.  Consumers like the appliance-like function of iTunes + iPod.  Plug it in and it works.  No drive mounting, no PC-like wizards, no dialog boxes asking you questions you don&#039;t know the answer to, or anything else that people hate about using their computers (particularly PCs).  Adding Realplayer sync would break all of that.

So long as Apple can offer the same library as everyone else, continue to provide a superior or competitive store interface and search function and compete on price, there is no reason to fear.  Since prices are more a function of the Labels, I don&#039;t see that being much of a differentiator.  The the most popular store wields the most power of negotiation for exclusives, which continues to be iTunes.

iTunes has little to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If at some point the need for WMA becomes a demand of consumers, Apple will enable it on the iPod.  For right now, nobody cares what format their music is in.  99% of people don&#8217;t even know.  Unless Real&#8217;s store has songs that iTunes Music Store lacks, why would anyone with an ipod want to use Real?  This isn&#8217;t like Windows vs Mac OS at all.  Music is easily converted and distributed in multiple formats where as software is OS-specific and needs major investment to support multiple OSes.</p>
<p>The only thing opening up to real would do is complicate the experience for the user.  What happens when you sync on Realplayer and iTunes with the same device?  Will it duplicate the songs?  Now you have your library split between two desktop apps, which sucks.  Nobody wants that.  Consumers like the appliance-like function of iTunes + iPod.  Plug it in and it works.  No drive mounting, no PC-like wizards, no dialog boxes asking you questions you don&#8217;t know the answer to, or anything else that people hate about using their computers (particularly PCs).  Adding Realplayer sync would break all of that.</p>
<p>So long as Apple can offer the same library as everyone else, continue to provide a superior or competitive store interface and search function and compete on price, there is no reason to fear.  Since prices are more a function of the Labels, I don&#8217;t see that being much of a differentiator.  The the most popular store wields the most power of negotiation for exclusives, which continues to be iTunes.</p>
<p>iTunes has little to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple needs Real? C&#039;mon. Quicktime and AAC are better than RealMedia any day, although that&#039;s like saying crap is better than a turd.

Hopefully, Real will just go away. That would probably be best for everyone, and then we won&#039;t be subjected to Real&#039;s bad video at low speed delivery system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple needs Real? C&#8217;mon. Quicktime and AAC are better than RealMedia any day, although that&#8217;s like saying crap is better than a turd.</p>
<p>Hopefully, Real will just go away. That would probably be best for everyone, and then we won&#8217;t be subjected to Real&#8217;s bad video at low speed delivery system.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1312/comment-page-1#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what does Real bring to the table? Their store is not as nice as the iTMS, so except for people who avoid Apple just to avoid Apple, why would allowing people to get FairPlay encoded music from real give them any more choice or any real benefit?

Sure this would give another distributer for the iPod but Apple can&#039;t keep up with sales today (before the HP deal goes through). 

It would seem to make more sense to license FairPlay to other hardware vendors who do not directly compete with the iPod (flash memory player, DVD players, TiVo, etc...). This would increase the perceived value of iTMS songs without compromising Apple&#039;s position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what does Real bring to the table? Their store is not as nice as the iTMS, so except for people who avoid Apple just to avoid Apple, why would allowing people to get FairPlay encoded music from real give them any more choice or any real benefit?</p>
<p>Sure this would give another distributer for the iPod but Apple can&#8217;t keep up with sales today (before the HP deal goes through). </p>
<p>It would seem to make more sense to license FairPlay to other hardware vendors who do not directly compete with the iPod (flash memory player, DVD players, TiVo, etc&#8230;). This would increase the perceived value of iTMS songs without compromising Apple&#8217;s position.</p>
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