Dear IPI: from p2pnet
p2pnet news | Freedom:- Tom Giovanetti —- he describes himself as an, “all-around nice guy (if a bit of an over-serious dork)” —- runs the IPI (Institute for Policy Innovation), a spin outfit with a, “history of pushing what it calls a pro-market agenda with its research, including one study asking if open source has reached its limits and another similar to that under discussion here that attempts to quantify the economic impact of movie piracy,” says Ars Technica.
p2pnet was somewhat more pointed in its criticism of the study, and Giovanetti (an avowed supporter of the DMCA and digital rights management [DRM] technologies) responded angrily in a comment post in which he said, “Consider the gauntlet layed down.”
Gauntlet? heh.
“In June 2004 the Australian blogger Tim Lambert mentioned IPI as one of several think tanks writing reports critical to open source software while they seem to be funded by Microsoft,” says SourceWatch.
Giovanetti responded:
First, you accuse IPI of taking money from Microsoft, but you have no facts or proof. True, you’d LIKE us to do your homework for you, but in absence of proof, a decent journalist never makes an accusation. … Second, regarding whether we take money from Microsoft, IPI has an absolute policy of protecting our donors’ privacy.
Anyway, I followed up Giovanetti’s p2pnet gauntlet effort with Deeply flawed IPI ‘piracy’ study: Part II, and once again, the garments protecting Giovanetti’s nether regions have become severely twisted.
‘Habitual knee-jerk pressure of industry’
Tom, I’m glad you’re still in there trying to protect the best interests of the corporate communities, and it’s always a pleasure to see an intelligent, carefully reasoned comment in p2pnet.
Unfortunately, your response doesn’t qualify in either respect.
You say:
You’re just a habitual, knee-jerk basher of industry, because they won’t let you have all the content you can consume for free. You’re a freeloader, and you don’t want anybody talking about the cost of all the freeloading that you encourage.
I admit it: I’ve downloaded mp3s. And I’ll keep on downloading them. But I’m not a criminal, and I’m not a thief. None of my downloads have deprived anybody of something they used to own; no money has changed hands; and, my downloads don’t mean I’d have otherwise bought the tunes from an online retail outlet.
In fact, in most cases, none of my downloads are otherwise available on- or offline.
Nor am I a freeloader, although I freely admit to being a “basher of industry”.
And there’s nothing knee-jerk about it. My message to the cartels is a loud and clear: Start treating me fairly and as an intelligent, responsible human being, and I might think about including you in my purchases.
Until then, I’ll keep on bashing.
Louie-Louie and Peter Gunn
Thanks to the Net, I’ve collected a whole bunch of covers of Louie-Louie and the Peter Gunn theme. And the kind of music I listen to while I’m working includes tracks from Cold Mountain; Jamie Cullum; Miles Davis, the Stones; Etta James; Jimi Hendrix; Canned heat; Mose Allison; Yo-Yo Ma; and a lot of others.
Are all my mp3s downloads? Nope. Far from it. Quite a few are rips from CDs I bought because it IS possible to find good music in the CD racks, although hardly any comes from from Warner Music, EMI, Vivendi Universal or Sony BMG.
And when I find it, I have no problem paying the asking price, whatever it may be. I have nice collection of blues and jazz, as well as a number of oldies from the likes of Steve Miller. And I bought every CD, paying anything from $5 to $25.
Earlier, I said I enjoy music from the Cold Mountain movie. I’m able to do that because I own the DVD.
Did I compile it from a download? Nope. I bought it. For $2. At a garage sale.
I’m a very ordinary person with a substantially less than ordinary income and there’s no way I’m going to fork out $23 for a flick I’m unlikely to watch more than once or twice; or the same amount for a Big 4 CD with only two or three decent tracks, if that.
I also own A Bridge Too Far; Gettysburg; March of the Penguins; Corpse Bride; Black Hawk Down; and a few others, none of which cost me more than $2.50, and none of which I’ve watched more than twice.
Corporate bilge
I couldn’t care less about listening to new releases or watching new movies just because they’re new.
Ninety percent of the corporate music released today isn’t worth a light and there’s too much good stuff around to even bother with it.
My daughter, Emma, is 11 and sadly, she’s exposed to floods of non-stop corporate bilge, just like any other kid in North America.
The cartels own or in one way or another control most on and offline print and electronic media outlets, here. This means they’re able to flood the airwaves and, increasingly, the Net with corporate gunge.
But unlike a lot of kids of her age, Emma knows there are other kinds of music available and she’s slowly acquiring the ability to discriminate. In fact, just about all of the Big 4 music I’ve heard has come from her and it gives me a lift to realise she really is learning to sort the good from the bad and the ugly.
Behind the curve instead of in front of it
Anyway, “You STILL have not demonstrated any empirical problem with the study or with its numbers,” says Giovanetti.
I’m neither a statistician nor an economist so I’ll leave empirical studies to people such as Koleman Strumpf, from the University of Kansas, School of Business, and colleague Felix Oberholzer, from Harvard University Business School.
They produced The Effect of File Sharing on Record Sales: An Empirical Analysis which very effectively gave the lie to the assertion that files downloaded equal sales lost.
And a while ago Strumpf told me a second study, this time concentrating on the movie industry, is in the making.
Its conclusions will be extremely interesting.
Because although the major movie studios and record labels are trying to claim they’re being “devastated” - their word - by file sharers and counterfeiters, the statement, like the IPI’s so-called ’study’ which started this exchange, is no more than deeply flawed hogwash and in fact, Time Warner, Viacom, Fox, Sony, NBC Universal and Disney are raking in more than ever before.
Counterfeiters and duplicators, aka ‘pirates,’ are criminals who, meanwhile, deserve everything they get when they’re caught.
Unfortunately, this doesn’t happen as often as the cartels would like you to believe because the people charged with apprehending them are far less technically adept than the people they’re trying to catch.
One of the reason for this is: the cartels draw from a pool of people who are way behind the curve instead of far out in front of it. Their skills tend more towards hype and distortion.
Corporate enforcers include retired cops who correctly identified the movie and music industry as a cash cow and, happily laughing all the way to the bank, advise them on how to catch criminals who are light years ahead of them both in terms of technical knowledge and expertise, not to mention the fact they’re several decades younger.
On top of that, the cartels are haemorrhaging credibility at a mind-boggling rate as they continue to blame their own customers for cartel-manufactured problems.
More hogwash.
One of the principal reasons the world is in trouble is because world economies are being undermined by self-interested corporations which answer only to shareholders, and by governments which answer only to the corporations.
Says rkp in a Reader’s Write to the post Giovanetti response to:
Plain fact is, all these studies and figures the **AAs and their ilk produce are pointless (even if they were accurate and unbiased). You know why? Because Pandoras Box has been opened, the internet, and the fast means of distribution - for legit or pirate copy - is here to stay. No reports, no laws, no gnashing of teeth by the company execs is going to close that box again. It’s a losing battle for you - the days when the big cartels held everything in a virtual stranglehold are gone. In its way, the net has broken the near total monopoly of the giant ‘entertainment’ corporations, and liberated the consumer. We are now used to getting what we want, when we want, and how we want - not on the unfair and biased terms which the cartels used to dictate to us. As I said in an earlier post, instead of driving for new laws, producers and distributors should be adapting, asking how they can get a share of this huge pot of ‘lost’ revenue.
The smart move for the companies now is to work with us all, not against us - because, despite all the rhetoric, just about every p2p’er probably recognizes that the artist, companies and so on do need compensating for their work. We’re just not prepared to live with the one sided situation at the moment which quite frankly leaves everybody ripped off - artists included - and just serves to make the major companies richer.
Quick afterthought re the study itself - and Tax. Let’s say I have X amount of income to spend. Normally I’d spend we’ll say $50 of that on dvds. Only I find piracy. I can download all the dvds I like for free now.
So what do I do with that $50?
I spend it on something else.
That something else is still taxed, the money is still going back into the economy. If your losses - real or fictional - mean you are paying less tax, then that only represents your sector of the industry - that money is still in circulation elsewhere, still being taxed. Considered as a global whole, the tax revenue on consumer capital will stay the same whether those consumers are buying DVDs or music or using it as payments on a new car instead.
Linking piracy and tax loss may well be a winner with politicians, but in the real world the only difference will be just what else the consumer is buying to pay tax upon, not on the amount of taxes he is paying - after all, the consumer only has a finite income.
And, incidentally, what about all the taxes governments lose from huge companies using practices like offshoring, exploiting legal loopholes etc? Or don’t they matter because it’s good business practice for companies/ultra rich individuals to do that?
Says another Reader’s Write:
An American, for 30 dollars can buy two Latin records from Sony or a pair of shoes. In one case the money goes to Latin America and Japan and in the other to China. As a third option, the money can be used to buy American cigarettes, on gambling, on boxing, or on something of value.
Conclusion: For the American economy it is best to get some mp3 files from a friend and then, with the saved money, poison yourself with tobacco, damage your brain with boxing or ruin yourself with gambling, or wisely spend the money on something of value.
Only when spending money on something of value will the destroyed and amBUSHed economy will be helped with currently mispent on mostly junk-entertainment money.
Forget the advice from the copyright and other junk entertainment cartels.
Their knowledge of what is good for the economy or even themselves is plainly nonexistent.
Simplistic? Perhaps. But when you hack your way through the layers of flab, gab and spin, you’re left with one fact:
Money talks and bullshit doesn’t walk.
Ask Tom.
Cheers! And all the best ….
Jon Newton - p2pnet
(PS, Tom - Glad you liked the pic of yourself —– nod nod, wink wink
)
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August 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Thanks very much for stating so eloquently what so many of us would like to say.
From what I see there is a large group of us that would be willing to spend our money, as we normally do, only under different circumstances…. As many around me. I too am so tired of the CorpoRats brains storming over how they can push, bully ,screw us out of just one dollar and disgusted by there lack of responsibility when it comes the mess they create. They refuse to shoulder the part of the blame that they own. But the King wears no cloths and we don’t mind admitting that any more. We are not the ignorant cash cows of bygone days. Thanks to in part to the internet we are well informed whether the Government or the CorpoRats like it or not. Things will not get better by throwing you customers/citizens in jail. The USA does not even have a legal IRS yet they collect with swat teams. 10’s of thousands of laws are broken by the CIA every year. These are facts that can’t be denigh because they are in the public domain. If the Government and the CorpoRats want average Joe to play fair then they will have to do the same. Stop looking at people as a mark to push around and start servicing us as they were meant to do. That way they will create value and receive their rewards. Balance will return and everyone, not just a select few can enjoy a happy quality of life they deserve.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
‘garments protecting Giovanetti’s nether regions have become severely twisted’
wa?
August 26th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
” ‘garments protecting Giovanetti’s nether regions have become severely twisted’
wa? ”
He got his undies in a bunch.
August 27th, 2007 at 12:17 am
The Internet is exposing the corrupt government-corporate officials in power. Just recently cops in Quebec were exposed trying to infiltrate a peaceful demonstration. This was done so to setup a confrontation where other cops could beat and arrest the demonstrators and get away with it (again). Another case in in Plainfield, New Hampshire where an elderly couple has decided to stand up against federal government and court bullies. Ed and Elaine Brown were convicted in a kangaroo court for not obeying a non-existent law. The Internet has also been used to spread the news about a Shreveport, Louisiana lawyer (Tom Cryer) who successfully avoided paying federal taxes on his labor. I’m sure other will learn from this man’s tactics. Whenever corporate or government thugs misuse their power, there is a great chance that there will be a person with a recording device nearby to expose the wrongdoing.
Politicians as well as corporate thugs will do anything they can to shut down the Internet. However, most of them are cowards and do not do so openly, for the people will not put up with it without a fight. To shut down the Internet they work together and make back room deals to pass laws to thwart competition, pass the DCMA, allow priority traffic, etc. What they WILL find out (some already are) is that throttling the Internet will not keep information from being spread. Other networks will form. A box of DVD’s sent through the mail contain as much useful information as can be transmitted over many broadband connections. A local homebrew WIFI network can be set up for very little money, and the information transmitted by it will not be subjected to government-corporate bandwidth limitations or surveillance. Yup, what Gutenberg did to the papacy is going to be done to the corporate-government stranglehold on peoples’ lives.
The Internet and like networks have freed people from oppressive taxation and exorbitant cartel prices. Why get ripped off at the store and by the tax man when the same or better product can be bought for much cheaper or obtained for free online? I don’t see a good reason. If governments and corporations want to outsource people, then people will outsource governments and corporations. It is already happening with music, video, software, and communications. It will soon happen with governments as well.
August 27th, 2007 at 7:00 am
Giovanetti’s organization is no “Think Tank” - it is more a BS Generator.
August 27th, 2007 at 8:34 am
“Giovanetti’s organization is no “Think Tank” - it is more a BS Generator.”
Any study on ANYTHING that is funded by someone who wants the study to come out a certain way becomes an instant BS generator.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
It so good to see what is messing up Hollywood, it not file shares, but the banks!
LOL, the banks the friends of hollywood are calling time to silly lones for $1 Billion for 1 film.
August 29th, 2007 at 7:00 am
What urked me most was the using the term “freeloader” to describe Jon Newton.
Jon is doing a service to humanity by operating this site, in my opinion. Can’t see much fanancial gain to this at all and that’s usually the way it is for those who help row this big boat we’re all in.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Wow…the IFPI really pwned you guys. As much as I dont like them, they really told you…
August 31st, 2007 at 5:49 am
Actually, they did what they always do.
They simply say …
“We’re right, you’re wrong, and if you don’t agree, you MUST be a thief ”
They never back up their claims.
They always start with the name-calling.
The strong statistical proof AGAINST the RIAA claims is what really ‘owned’ them.
Name calling is all they have left.