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		<title>By: lame_dude</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-179007</link>
		<dc:creator>lame_dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well and I forgot to mention :). According to their methods and actions, it should sound like this:
RIAA = Racketeers Industry Assoc. of America ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well and I forgot to mention <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . According to their methods and actions, it should sound like this:<br />
RIAA = Racketeers Industry Assoc. of America <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lame_dude</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-179006</link>
		<dc:creator>lame_dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media Defenders are actually Media Pollutors and Media Phukerz who polluting the media by sending their garbage over networks therefore causing useless traffic [actually this may even fit to terms &quot;spamming&quot; and &quot;flooding&quot; and &quot;DDoS attacks&quot; which are prohibited under law] :).Can be some company more useless?Hardly.Brand new money-wasters nothing-doers company who is capable to causing just problems and harm only.By design.Business do you say?Let&#039;s then serial killers to walk over the streets, they have sort of &quot;business&quot; too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media Defenders are actually Media Pollutors and Media Phukerz who polluting the media by sending their garbage over networks therefore causing useless traffic [actually this may even fit to terms "spamming" and "flooding" and "DDoS attacks" which are prohibited under law] <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .Can be some company more useless?Hardly.Brand new money-wasters nothing-doers company who is capable to causing just problems and harm only.By design.Business do you say?Let&#8217;s then serial killers to walk over the streets, they have sort of &#8220;business&#8221; too!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178780</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their CEO is an idiot. It is not illegal to view the webpages that have their stuff on it due to the &#039;culpable deniability&#039; factor--&quot;Gee, javascript from a trojan popped a window behind my browser that accessed it and I closed it as soon as I shutdown my browsing session and noticed it! I haven&#039;t updated my anti-virus program in a month so maybe that caused it.&quot;

WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE is every one of the p2p companies SUEING them for breach of access contract. Every one of those companies has a disclaimer that says you can not upload fake files, flood the network, or do anything that would prevent or diminish the usage of the p2p network for others. And this dumbsh!t company is in business to do JUST THAT! They need to be squashed. And the point that you cannot use evidence gathered illegally is moot. Courts have upheld usage of evidence when it has become SO IMMERSED in society that it is no longer considered secret or difficult to locate. So by spreading this information far and wide, we can help ensure that the p2p companies have a basis for lawsuits.

The ends DO NOT justify the means. They NEVER do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their CEO is an idiot. It is not illegal to view the webpages that have their stuff on it due to the &#8216;culpable deniability&#8217; factor&#8211;&#8221;Gee, javascript from a trojan popped a window behind my browser that accessed it and I closed it as soon as I shutdown my browsing session and noticed it! I haven&#8217;t updated my anti-virus program in a month so maybe that caused it.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE is every one of the p2p companies SUEING them for breach of access contract. Every one of those companies has a disclaimer that says you can not upload fake files, flood the network, or do anything that would prevent or diminish the usage of the p2p network for others. And this dumbsh!t company is in business to do JUST THAT! They need to be squashed. And the point that you cannot use evidence gathered illegally is moot. Courts have upheld usage of evidence when it has become SO IMMERSED in society that it is no longer considered secret or difficult to locate. So by spreading this information far and wide, we can help ensure that the p2p companies have a basis for lawsuits.</p>
<p>The ends DO NOT justify the means. They NEVER do.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178386</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in case someone misses something;
http://www.mediadefender-defenders.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in case someone misses something;<br />
<a href="http://www.mediadefender-defenders.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediadefender-defenders.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: lmfao</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178214</link>
		<dc:creator>lmfao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol at fake emails, lmfao at IP addresses... Kinda like selling Mcfee products at ISP levels (in my country no one gets taken to court for sending viri files over a network, I wonder why)

In any case I have to wonder if this is the same FBI and EPA which allows BS media to seek court actions, &#039;spam laws&#039;, and DRM single devices or laws. While in my country while I get 500 Pages per month of M$, apple, Disney, and Warner tax free fake recycling ads in my real world mail box every month.... taking note of the BS on M$, apple, disney and Warner web sites about recycling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol at fake emails, lmfao at IP addresses&#8230; Kinda like selling Mcfee products at ISP levels (in my country no one gets taken to court for sending viri files over a network, I wonder why)</p>
<p>In any case I have to wonder if this is the same FBI and EPA which allows BS media to seek court actions, &#8217;spam laws&#8217;, and DRM single devices or laws. While in my country while I get 500 Pages per month of M$, apple, Disney, and Warner tax free fake recycling ads in my real world mail box every month&#8230;. taking note of the BS on M$, apple, disney and Warner web sites about recycling!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178145</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am the CEO of MediaDefender. We have begun our civil and criminal investigations into the stolen emails from our company. We are meeting with the FBI on monday. Your IP address has been logged. I hope it was worth the thrill.&quot;

Obviously Touche! Their boat is on fire. Obviously their boat is on fire and now that their illegal ativities as been exposed Oh the law Suits! Hopefully they will sink. Now the other one.

This type of leaks are ireversible. Can not recall. It&#039;s all over the p2pnetworks and it is showing on website too. 
Since some of the activities of media defender are obviously illegal this morons should prepare for the comming lawsuit instead of chassing their tail. The media defender sub is on fire!  YES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am the CEO of MediaDefender. We have begun our civil and criminal investigations into the stolen emails from our company. We are meeting with the FBI on monday. Your IP address has been logged. I hope it was worth the thrill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously Touche! Their boat is on fire. Obviously their boat is on fire and now that their illegal ativities as been exposed Oh the law Suits! Hopefully they will sink. Now the other one.</p>
<p>This type of leaks are ireversible. Can not recall. It&#8217;s all over the p2pnetworks and it is showing on website too.<br />
Since some of the activities of media defender are obviously illegal this morons should prepare for the comming lawsuit instead of chassing their tail. The media defender sub is on fire!  YES!</p>
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		<title>By: xforce</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178144</link>
		<dc:creator>xforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there should be more phone calls recorded and released. Doubtful that these corporate CEOs are actually going to put something in a tracable email which can later be used as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be more phone calls recorded and released. Doubtful that these corporate CEOs are actually going to put something in a tracable email which can later be used as evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178080</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like logging an IP means anything these days. With all the proxies, zombie pcs, etc itâs difficult to put much faith in IP addresses these days.&quot;

I have to agree. Assumptions of IP absolutism is inapposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like logging an IP means anything these days. With all the proxies, zombie pcs, etc itâs difficult to put much faith in IP addresses these days.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to agree. Assumptions of IP absolutism is inapposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178073</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Upload stats for Gnutella/etc decoy files&quot;

Couldn&#039;t this be used as evidence to sue them for abuse / inappropriate use of network resources / spam ?
I&#039;m pretty sure you could take these guys to the cleaners with such evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Upload stats for Gnutella/etc decoy files&#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t this be used as evidence to sue them for abuse / inappropriate use of network resources / spam ?<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure you could take these guys to the cleaners with such evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178050</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like logging an IP means anything these days. With all the proxies, zombie pcs, etc it&#039;s difficult to put much faith in IP addresses these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like logging an IP means anything these days. With all the proxies, zombie pcs, etc it&#8217;s difficult to put much faith in IP addresses these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178033</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no prob. its still on tpb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no prob. its still on tpb</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178015</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats the FBI going to do about someone hacking into a gmail account protected by a weak password? Maybe they should instead investigate why Jackass Jay was forwarding all his email to GMail in the first place. From what I gather MD-Defenders just used all the password information from the emails to infiltrate their network and access even more sensitive stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats the FBI going to do about someone hacking into a gmail account protected by a weak password? Maybe they should instead investigate why Jackass Jay was forwarding all his email to GMail in the first place. From what I gather MD-Defenders just used all the password information from the emails to infiltrate their network and access even more sensitive stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Jewell</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13343/comment-page-1#comment-178000</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam Jewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the site is now refusing connections :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the site is now refusing connections <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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