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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-192817</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you people all retarded? I&#039;m not justifying the judgement against her, or the RIAA&#039;s actions, but she&#039;s obviously a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you people all retarded? I&#8217;m not justifying the judgement against her, or the RIAA&#8217;s actions, but she&#8217;s obviously a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-190675</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dred:

See above, done because I&#039;d do the same for anyone, liked or otherwise. But thanks for the thought.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dred:</p>
<p>See above, done because I&#8217;d do the same for anyone, liked or otherwise. But thanks for the thought.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-190653</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon , you may want to delete the above post with the a-holes name and addy.
While that information MAY be publicly available.  this COULD possibly create
liability for you by having it here.

 As much as I think that hegg is an asshole, this may cross a line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon , you may want to delete the above post with the a-holes name and addy.<br />
While that information MAY be publicly available.  this COULD possibly create<br />
liability for you by having it here.</p>
<p> As much as I think that hegg is an asshole, this may cross a line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Heggy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-190539</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Heggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;She&#039;s a liar. We wanted to send a message. I don&#039;t know what the fuck she was thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;I&gt;(I&#039;ve edited out Hegg&#039;s personal info posted in this comment ---- Jon)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/I&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She&#8217;s a liar. We wanted to send a message. I don&#8217;t know what the fuck she was thinking.</p>
<p><i>(I&#8217;ve edited out Hegg&#8217;s personal info posted in this comment &#8212;- Jon)</i></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189919</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to buy music, wish I had NEVER given those ungrateful SOBs a penny.  Those days have been long over for four years.  After this, I&#039;ll NEVER buy RIAA brand music at any price.  I&#039;ll find something else to do.

That goes for MPAA movies, and BSA software!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to buy music, wish I had NEVER given those ungrateful SOBs a penny.  Those days have been long over for four years.  After this, I&#8217;ll NEVER buy RIAA brand music at any price.  I&#8217;ll find something else to do.</p>
<p>That goes for MPAA movies, and BSA software!</p>
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		<title>By: Power To The Little Guy!</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189838</link>
		<dc:creator>Power To The Little Guy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon Says:
October 10th, 2007 at 3:58 am

âPower to the little guyâ is being sarcastic, âreaderâs writeâ.

************************

Yup, I was. Well spotted lol :) If you think about it though, the bastards at the RIAA likely do think like that and I was just making a cutting parody of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon Says:<br />
October 10th, 2007 at 3:58 am</p>
<p>âPower to the little guyâ is being sarcastic, âreaderâs writeâ.</p>
<p>************************</p>
<p>Yup, I was. Well spotted lol <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If you think about it though, the bastards at the RIAA likely do think like that and I was just making a cutting parody of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kazaa is owned by Australia&#039;s Sharman Networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kazaa is owned by Australia&#8217;s Sharman Networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189809</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a Civil trial. From what i remember about civil law from the OJ trial, the burden of proof isnt as high as criminal.

example : Criminal - If the glove dont fit, ya gotta aquit.

               : Civil - If the glove dont fit, his hand have must have gotten fatter or the gloves have shrunk. hes still guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a Civil trial. From what i remember about civil law from the OJ trial, the burden of proof isnt as high as criminal.</p>
<p>example : Criminal &#8211; If the glove dont fit, ya gotta aquit.</p>
<p>               : Civil &#8211; If the glove dont fit, his hand have must have gotten fatter or the gloves have shrunk. hes still guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnyg0</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189783</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnnyg0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Kazaa owned by Bertelsmann? Otherwise known as BMG, or Sony BMG? Did they sold it to someone else since?

Also didn&#039;t Kazaa paid over 300 millions$ to the RIAA for past and future damage?

I just had a thought this women has been accused of using a system owned by the accusers themselves... and they won&#039;t shut this milking cow down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Kazaa owned by Bertelsmann? Otherwise known as BMG, or Sony BMG? Did they sold it to someone else since?</p>
<p>Also didn&#8217;t Kazaa paid over 300 millions$ to the RIAA for past and future damage?</p>
<p>I just had a thought this women has been accused of using a system owned by the accusers themselves&#8230; and they won&#8217;t shut this milking cow down.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Power to the little guy&quot; is being sarcastic, &quot;reader&#039;s write&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Power to the little guy&#8221; is being sarcastic, &#8220;reader&#8217;s write&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189677</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol power to the little guy you contradict yourself and your name is in violation with your ideas kinda badly...   

but yea why not make them pay 2 billion dollars next time, i mean whe need to set an examble! screw her live and her 2 kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol power to the little guy you contradict yourself and your name is in violation with your ideas kinda badly&#8230;   </p>
<p>but yea why not make them pay 2 billion dollars next time, i mean whe need to set an examble! screw her live and her 2 kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Power To The Little Guy!</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189493</link>
		<dc:creator>Power To The Little Guy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obvious why she was convicted: the RIAA needed to set their much-needed precedent, no matter what. The judge was bought from what I understand...

They&#039;ve now proved that they don&#039;t really need much evidence to get you, thankfully. Next time someone gets a Settlement Offer, they should just take it and shut the fuck up. Innocence or potential innocence is no excuse, it just inconveniences the music industry when trying to force their business model on the consumer; they must prevail.

Who gives a shit whether it was actually her, a friend or some hacker that did the downloading? It&#039;s completely irrelevant. The IP address pointed to her internet account, so she should be made to pay and she has.

Her appeal will fail, just you watch.

Frankly, the award should have been for $440K or more, not the paltry $220K... and she should be made to pay every damn dollar of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious why she was convicted: the RIAA needed to set their much-needed precedent, no matter what. The judge was bought from what I understand&#8230;</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve now proved that they don&#8217;t really need much evidence to get you, thankfully. Next time someone gets a Settlement Offer, they should just take it and shut the fuck up. Innocence or potential innocence is no excuse, it just inconveniences the music industry when trying to force their business model on the consumer; they must prevail.</p>
<p>Who gives a shit whether it was actually her, a friend or some hacker that did the downloading? It&#8217;s completely irrelevant. The IP address pointed to her internet account, so she should be made to pay and she has.</p>
<p>Her appeal will fail, just you watch.</p>
<p>Frankly, the award should have been for $440K or more, not the paltry $220K&#8230; and she should be made to pay every damn dollar of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Just my two cents</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189485</link>
		<dc:creator>Just my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wondering about the comment:

âI think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naÃ¯ve. Weâre not that stupid up here,â 

...because I think that this decision proved just the oppisite- that the jury from Deluth is VERY naive, and doesn&#039;t bother to follow the facts.

Whether or not her IP address was spoofed or not, that fact that IP addresses do not equil a person, was completely overlooked, as well as the fact that most of the evedence against her was cercumstantial.  And to top that off, what ever happened to the bit about &quot;proven beyond a shadow of doubt&quot;?  If the jury felt that the RIAA&#039;s case was prooved beyond a shadow of doubt, then I am afraid that they are a bunch of naive people who are likely to believe in anything they are spoon fed by athority.

Just my Two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wondering about the comment:</p>
<p>âI think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naÃ¯ve. Weâre not that stupid up here,â </p>
<p>&#8230;because I think that this decision proved just the oppisite- that the jury from Deluth is VERY naive, and doesn&#8217;t bother to follow the facts.</p>
<p>Whether or not her IP address was spoofed or not, that fact that IP addresses do not equil a person, was completely overlooked, as well as the fact that most of the evedence against her was cercumstantial.  And to top that off, what ever happened to the bit about &#8220;proven beyond a shadow of doubt&#8221;?  If the jury felt that the RIAA&#8217;s case was prooved beyond a shadow of doubt, then I am afraid that they are a bunch of naive people who are likely to believe in anything they are spoon fed by athority.</p>
<p>Just my Two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189479</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,
 the above 2 posts were mine.

 Just demonstrating a point.
 I could just as easily use that name on Kazaa, or ANY other
 service I want.

 Imagine someone using a name that they have seen a lot of, to DL kiddie porn or engage in other
 illegal activities.
 What if they use the name David b ?

 This trial  shows that no proof is necessary to convict.

 &quot; âI think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naÃ¯ve. Weâre not that stupid up here,â he said. âI donât know what the fuck she was thinking, to tell you the truth.â

 It also shows that a jury in Duluth can, indeed , be THAT stupid. This guy just proved it.
 That&#039;s what the fuck I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,<br />
 the above 2 posts were mine.</p>
<p> Just demonstrating a point.<br />
 I could just as easily use that name on Kazaa, or ANY other<br />
 service I want.</p>
<p> Imagine someone using a name that they have seen a lot of, to DL kiddie porn or engage in other<br />
 illegal activities.<br />
 What if they use the name David b ?</p>
<p> This trial  shows that no proof is necessary to convict.</p>
<p> &#8221; âI think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naÃ¯ve. Weâre not that stupid up here,â he said. âI donât know what the fuck she was thinking, to tell you the truth.â</p>
<p> It also shows that a jury in Duluth can, indeed , be THAT stupid. This guy just proved it.<br />
 That&#8217;s what the fuck I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Tereastarr</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189475</link>
		<dc:creator>Tereastarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do tell ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do tell ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tereastarr</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189474</link>
		<dc:creator>Tereastarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is terribly difficult to use a fake out people, by using a 
name they have seen used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is terribly difficult to use a fake out people, by using a<br />
name they have seen used.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189469</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Said juror is a idiot.

The harddrive she turned over was the harddrive that was installed when suit was filed. Replaced 2 weeks before the suit.
That was the testimony from the Geek Squad or whomever tech person.

Wish I was a juror on a case like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said juror is a idiot.</p>
<p>The harddrive she turned over was the harddrive that was installed when suit was filed. Replaced 2 weeks before the suit.<br />
That was the testimony from the Geek Squad or whomever tech person.</p>
<p>Wish I was a juror on a case like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tereastarr</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tereastarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stell worker in Minesota hum? Clearly Technically challenged!</description>
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		<title>By: ???</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189456</link>
		<dc:creator>???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not say it was unlikely because the fact that its not possible and could have been registered like that, that is definitely possible as I said. The unlikely comes from the part that she got rid of her hard drive, making her look and seem guilty, for what reason is there to throw away your hard drive if you didnt do anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not say it was unlikely because the fact that its not possible and could have been registered like that, that is definitely possible as I said. The unlikely comes from the part that she got rid of her hard drive, making her look and seem guilty, for what reason is there to throw away your hard drive if you didnt do anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13606/comment-page-1#comment-189446</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david in that scenario it would be more likely that a hacker set up the Kazaa account and used information from her pc for it. and its not so &quot;unlikely&quot; as some think, just look how many botnets there are and zombie machines, your email spam and all kinds of stuff is mostly coming from home users machines that are hijacked. 

funny enough most viruses are made in US :) not china/korea/taiwan etc. that has been thinked about before. also US dont have good protection, and most email spam comes from US from hijacked home users. 

so its not so unlikely as you guys (??? included) might think its actualy very possible and could have been the case ;) most dont know that their computer is doing things in the background due to a virus/trojan/malware/adware/whatever you name it.

im looking forward for more info :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david in that scenario it would be more likely that a hacker set up the Kazaa account and used information from her pc for it. and its not so &#8220;unlikely&#8221; as some think, just look how many botnets there are and zombie machines, your email spam and all kinds of stuff is mostly coming from home users machines that are hijacked. </p>
<p>funny enough most viruses are made in US <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  not china/korea/taiwan etc. that has been thinked about before. also US dont have good protection, and most email spam comes from US from hijacked home users. </p>
<p>so its not so unlikely as you guys (??? included) might think its actualy very possible and could have been the case <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  most dont know that their computer is doing things in the background due to a virus/trojan/malware/adware/whatever you name it.</p>
<p>im looking forward for more info <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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