If my own personal use is …

1. copying to my home server ( fair use )
2. making a backup ( fair use )
3. copy to different media for other devices that I own ( fair use ).

Then yes, I should be able to.

Do you lump all of these uses under the ( incorrect ) term of ’stealing’ ?

” Doesnt that defeat the purpose of buying the movie? and for backups i suppose- but how many movies are you gonna fit onto your computer? no matter how big your HDD is- you cant fit many on there. ”

So, you’ve never heard of home theatre servers then ?
Storage for about 50 to 100 movies, that can be veiwed on any screen in the home.

A glorified Tivo basically.

Doesn’t defeat the purpose at all.
Perfectly legal too ( fair use ).

” Why cant you copy a blu movie? well… cause it would make companies lose money- making people suffer. ”

This has been pointed out many times.
a download does not equal a lost sale … never will.

compare the most downloaded movies the largest sellers and you find the lists to
be nearly identical .. at least it WAS that way before the *AA’s started suing
There is NO demonstratable, provable loss … none.

” thats like saying “Hey! I own my house… why cant i blow it up?”
Why cant you blow your house up? well… cause it would start a fire- making people suffer. ”

This has got to be the stupidest comparison I have ever read.
This isn’t even close.
sorry.

But …
Suing someone for building a house that looks exactly like mine .. that’s a little closer.
See, those folks haven’t deprived me of the use and benefits of my home by making
one just like it.

So ..

” if your own personal use is stealing, then no you cant. ”

What if it isn’t ? Why can’t I ?
Why don’t you ever directly address fair use issues ?
Why do you assume the only reason to copy is to infringe ?

After all .. NONE of those protections have ever been successful.
All of that stuff is still available through any search engine.
Why can’t a paying customer have the same benefits as a copyright infringer ?

you are sounding more and more like a shill.

Any particular reason you sound like a PR rep for Sony?

And a PR rep with their facts completely backwards at that. That’s pretty sad man. At least have the courtesy to counter fair use arguments with factual information rather than your slightly delusional dreams. Now, I’m referring to US fair use doctrine here, YMMV.

It is perfectly legal for a consumer to make backup or format shifted copies of their legally purchased media for their personal use. So I have every right to copy any movie I buy to my computer. Now, if the DVD is protected by DRM technology an interesting legal situation appears. I still retain the legal right to make personal use copies of the DVD but the DMCA has made it illegal for me to circumvent the DRM in order to use my DVD in a perfectly legal fashion.

So here I am with a crippled disk on hardware that’s been overloaded with an entire extraneous set of chips in order to decode the d@mn DRM. Funny thing though….within hours of that very DVD’s release countless full quality copies have appeared on the internet, DRM free and incredibly convenient. They can be played on any device I might have and I can make as many backups as I wish.

Now, I’m an honest individual and I despise piracy. I will not download pirated movies. So tell me.

Why am I being punished with an expensive product that is inferior in every measure to the free pirated version on the internet?

Why do they try so hard to drive me into the arms of the pirates.

yes, very true. but you wouldnt… no, you (i say “you” as basically meaning “Everyone”) no, you would want it copyable so that you can download the movies from torrents for free.

thats a fact. dont get me wrong, i may have downloaded hundreds of movies. …maybe.

but at the same time, i would much rather buy it. it seems im the only one in the world who would rather NOT be a cheap ass and steal my movies.

“Why not ?

With storage medium cheaper than ever, it’s very feasible.”

Sure… i guess. but what would be the point if your not DOWNLOADING it from torrents? why would you buy a movie, then put it onto your computer?
Doesnt that defeat the purpose of buying the movie? and for backups i suppose- but how many movies are you gonna fit onto your computer? no matter how big your HDD is- you cant fit many on there.

“Tough shit.
If I bought it .. paid money for it, I should be able to do whatever I
want with it for my OWN PERSONAL USE.
That’s called Fair Use.”

if your own personal use is stealing, then no you cant.

thats like saying “Hey! I own my house… why cant i blow it up?”
Why cant you blow your house up? well… cause it would start a fire- making people suffer.

Why cant you copy a blu movie? well… cause it would make companies lose money- making people suffer.

You entirely miss the point.
20 dollars IS too much to pay for a product that I CAN’T do what I want with it.
If I WANT to copy it to my movie server, I should be able to easily, with a disc that
I PAID FOR.

“do you really want a 50 GB movie on your computer? ”

Why not ?

With storage medium cheaper than ever, it’s very feasible.

” I dont want people copying blu-ray ?

Tough shit.
If I bought it .. paid money for it, I should be able to do whatever I
want with it for my OWN PERSONAL USE.
That’s called Fair Use.

and everyone is happy about it- including me. : /

I dont want people copying blu-ray… is 20 bucks honestly too much to pay for a quality product? CDs are different- they are overpriced, and far from quality.
Download the crap out of CDs, not blu. do you really want a 50 GB movie on your computer? They’ll be releasing a 200GB model soon as well.

200GB movie anyone? boy would that one take a while to download…

And Amit C – Hell yes!

A total waste of money. Luckily there was a hacking software that allowed me to extract my recording.

Sony give it up. 10% of consumers cheat, 90% of us don’t ! Stop alienating your PAYING CUSTOMERS!

They want me to pay a LOT of money for hardware that I don’t have the right to
use as I wish, and buy media that I don’t really own to use in it ?

i’ll pass

That’s already possible, and much more consumer friendly, WITHOUT ANY DRM.
Fair use makes it LEGAL to copy a DVD YOU OWN to YOUR OWN server .. for
YOUR OWN personal use.

DRM never ‘makes possible’ anything.
It only makes whats already possible, impossible, but only for those
who purchase it legally.

Ironic.

on a different note i got 300 on blu-ray(promotion made it cheaper than the dvd in store) and i was amazed no adverts, not forced to watch these trailers, just a quick copyright notice(which i could fast forward if you cant stand the few seconds its on screen) and the main menu. finally i think they are learning!!!

one also has to remember that all the security on these blue ray disks is optional so its up to the studios which are used so you could find a blue-ray disk with no DRM atall.

at least with BD+ and HD-DVD DRM they talk about introducing managed copys so a hard copy(the original) and a legal copy on my media server could be posiable.

What a pain in the Neck!

That will definitively kill the standard blue ray.

Dheu!

Ha!