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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-196455</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found the lyrics in English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALqyDHDnOCI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found the lyrics in English</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALqyDHDnOCI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALqyDHDnOCI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-194588</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; What are you going to listen to when the labels are all gone bye-bye? &quot;

 Probably the &#039;snuffling&#039; sound of his nose buried up the Label execs butts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; What are you going to listen to when the labels are all gone bye-bye? &#8221;</p>
<p> Probably the &#8217;snuffling&#8217; sound of his nose buried up the Label execs butts.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-194163</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t want indie music.&quot; 
What are you going to listen to when the labels are all gone bye-bye?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t want indie music.&#8221;<br />
What are you going to listen to when the labels are all gone bye-bye?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-194059</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t want indie music. Nuf said. keep yer crap.&quot;

Funny you would say  that. ALL the label artists were once independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t want indie music. Nuf said. keep yer crap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny you would say  that. ALL the label artists were once independent.</p>
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		<title>By: david b</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193649</link>
		<dc:creator>david b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want indie music. Nuf said. keep yer crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want indie music. Nuf said. keep yer crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193625</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is:
LISTEN TO, SHARE and PURCHASE Independent Music ONLY.

Labels won&#039;t give you what you want without taking your firstborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is:<br />
LISTEN TO, SHARE and PURCHASE Independent Music ONLY.</p>
<p>Labels won&#8217;t give you what you want without taking your firstborn.</p>
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		<title>By: rez</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193204</link>
		<dc:creator>rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... most of us that download... upload....                                   leech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; most of us that download&#8230; upload&#8230;.                                   leech?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193183</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rez, it&#039;s not theft. Theft requires the object being stolen to be removed from the owner&#039;s possession. Check this chain of definition:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theft
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/steal
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/away
If you think copyright infringment is &quot;theft&quot; then the brainwashing is obviously working...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rez, it&#8217;s not theft. Theft requires the object being stolen to be removed from the owner&#8217;s possession. Check this chain of definition:<br />
<a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theft" rel="nofollow">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theft</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/steal" rel="nofollow">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/steal</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/away" rel="nofollow">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/away</a><br />
If you think copyright infringment is &#8220;theft&#8221; then the brainwashing is obviously working&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193079</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey rez, you&#039;re wrong in your main argument: they are suing the UPLOADERS not the downloaders.

It is NOT illegal to &quot;make available&quot; music files! Sheesh, show me the law that says it is. What everyone tiptoes around, and what the REAL issue is, is the fact that the people the RIAA wants to chat with are the downloaders -- not the uploaders -- but they cannot find the downloaders easily so they go the coward&#039;s route and sue the low-hanging fruit...the uploaders, most of whom do so unwittingly due to the default share mode of p2p software.

There are &quot;fair-use&quot; reasons for downloading music files as well. A person&#039;s intent can not be determined just because they downloaded a song. Journalists, to grab the obvious, are permitted to not only do this for review purposes, but can publish a portion of the song also!

The major portions of the Copyright Act center around whether or not the person is making money from their actions. Because file-sharing is a free activity, that is another case of the law not keeping up with technology, and consumers should not be punished or sued for their actions when  there is no law preventing them from doing it.

And with computer-illiterate jury members believing what the mainstream media trumpets, of course they will say uploaders are guilty. Hell, according to RIAA management from the recent trial it is illegal to even COPY a CD you purchased?? Obviously they never read the Copyright Act which states that it is ALWAYS permitted for the consumer to make an &quot;archival backup copy&quot; of any media they&#039;ve legally purchased.

As I&#039;ve stated before, the solution is IRC (Google it) -- along with proxies and PeerGuardian (update it frequently) you are safer than 99.9% of all the other people using the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey rez, you&#8217;re wrong in your main argument: they are suing the UPLOADERS not the downloaders.</p>
<p>It is NOT illegal to &#8220;make available&#8221; music files! Sheesh, show me the law that says it is. What everyone tiptoes around, and what the REAL issue is, is the fact that the people the RIAA wants to chat with are the downloaders &#8212; not the uploaders &#8212; but they cannot find the downloaders easily so they go the coward&#8217;s route and sue the low-hanging fruit&#8230;the uploaders, most of whom do so unwittingly due to the default share mode of p2p software.</p>
<p>There are &#8220;fair-use&#8221; reasons for downloading music files as well. A person&#8217;s intent can not be determined just because they downloaded a song. Journalists, to grab the obvious, are permitted to not only do this for review purposes, but can publish a portion of the song also!</p>
<p>The major portions of the Copyright Act center around whether or not the person is making money from their actions. Because file-sharing is a free activity, that is another case of the law not keeping up with technology, and consumers should not be punished or sued for their actions when  there is no law preventing them from doing it.</p>
<p>And with computer-illiterate jury members believing what the mainstream media trumpets, of course they will say uploaders are guilty. Hell, according to RIAA management from the recent trial it is illegal to even COPY a CD you purchased?? Obviously they never read the Copyright Act which states that it is ALWAYS permitted for the consumer to make an &#8220;archival backup copy&#8221; of any media they&#8217;ve legally purchased.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve stated before, the solution is IRC (Google it) &#8212; along with proxies and PeerGuardian (update it frequently) you are safer than 99.9% of all the other people using the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Rez:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;All these articles are read by the converted.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s why I recently started running mainstream entertainment stories. I figured they&#039;d bring in readers who might not be familiar with the kinds of posts  and issues which show up here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That aside, I know for a fact lot of mainstream print and electronic media people drop by, and quite a few &#039;new&#039; people find p2pnet on Goo-Goo and the like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So hopefully, it&#039;s not all wasted effort. And anyway, some members of the choir can also be heard elsewhere ;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheers!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rez:</p>
<p>&#8220;All these articles are read by the converted.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I recently started running mainstream entertainment stories. I figured they&#8217;d bring in readers who might not be familiar with the kinds of posts  and issues which show up here.</p>
<p>That aside, I know for a fact lot of mainstream print and electronic media people drop by, and quite a few &#8216;new&#8217; people find p2pnet on Goo-Goo and the like.</p>
<p>So hopefully, it&#8217;s not all wasted effort. And anyway, some members of the choir can also be heard elsewhere <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: rez</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193034</link>
		<dc:creator>rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a troll.  I&#039;m a music lover and devoted p2per. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a troll.  I&#8217;m a music lover and devoted p2per. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193017</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trolls are getting more subtle. This is a good sign :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trolls are getting more subtle. This is a good sign <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193003</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we grew up in music school
There were certain tapeheads who would copy music anyway they could
From taping off of radios or burning onto CD
Exposing every loophole to give it all for free
But at the RIAA it was well known
When they claimed copyright
Their fat and psychopathic lies
Would thrash us within inches of our lives

We don&#039;t need no litigation
What we need is price control
No pile of garbage to treat us as
Big 4, leave our songs alone
Hey! Big 4! Leave our songs alone
All in all it&#039;s just another dick in the hole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we grew up in music school<br />
There were certain tapeheads who would copy music anyway they could<br />
From taping off of radios or burning onto CD<br />
Exposing every loophole to give it all for free<br />
But at the RIAA it was well known<br />
When they claimed copyright<br />
Their fat and psychopathic lies<br />
Would thrash us within inches of our lives</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need no litigation<br />
What we need is price control<br />
No pile of garbage to treat us as<br />
Big 4, leave our songs alone<br />
Hey! Big 4! Leave our songs alone<br />
All in all it&#8217;s just another dick in the hole</p>
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		<title>By: rez</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-193000</link>
		<dc:creator>rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We download music which they wish to sell.  As a result, they randomly sue us.  I don&#039;t like them but... we are stealing music as we are not paying for it.  Sugarcoat it as you want, it&#039;s their product which they wish to distribute and as a result, make a profit. (regardless of the price) 

The only way we, as downloaders, will be able to prevent the RIAA (and mpaa) from suing is coming up with (or more) advanced encryption methods or secure delivery systems that are fast and enable multiple peers to share file(s) the way bittorrent does but with security. Current methods are inadequte or people refuse to take the time to learn how to use a new application and as a result, the application has very little peers to download from, if any at all depending on the nature of it.   The courts are not going to back us.  At least not in the USA.  They are old fuckers (some of you are old too... fuckers) and as such, they have no basis on which to judge the complex nature of file sharing. ie it&#039;s technical aspects or the culture surrounding the p2p &quot;movement&quot;.  Mainstream America could give a damn about (for that matter, know of) p2pnet or any other p2p, file sharing, or whatever anti-riaa,mpaa news site.  All these articles are read by the converted.  Preaching to the choir I believe it&#039;s called.   Laws will not be passed in favor of downloaders simply because money is law.  I&#039;ve tried to get my point across as clear as possible.  I&#039;m tired and I&#039;m tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We download music which they wish to sell.  As a result, they randomly sue us.  I don&#8217;t like them but&#8230; we are stealing music as we are not paying for it.  Sugarcoat it as you want, it&#8217;s their product which they wish to distribute and as a result, make a profit. (regardless of the price) </p>
<p>The only way we, as downloaders, will be able to prevent the RIAA (and mpaa) from suing is coming up with (or more) advanced encryption methods or secure delivery systems that are fast and enable multiple peers to share file(s) the way bittorrent does but with security. Current methods are inadequte or people refuse to take the time to learn how to use a new application and as a result, the application has very little peers to download from, if any at all depending on the nature of it.   The courts are not going to back us.  At least not in the USA.  They are old fuckers (some of you are old too&#8230; fuckers) and as such, they have no basis on which to judge the complex nature of file sharing. ie it&#8217;s technical aspects or the culture surrounding the p2p &#8220;movement&#8221;.  Mainstream America could give a damn about (for that matter, know of) p2pnet or any other p2p, file sharing, or whatever anti-riaa,mpaa news site.  All these articles are read by the converted.  Preaching to the choir I believe it&#8217;s called.   Laws will not be passed in favor of downloaders simply because money is law.  I&#8217;ve tried to get my point across as clear as possible.  I&#8217;m tired and I&#8217;m tired.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13662/comment-page-1#comment-192977</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grow up already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up already!</p>
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