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	<title>Comments on: Big Music downloads for ISP-levied fee?</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198530</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to invite the ire of those who use the Internet and don&#039;t download. Why would I need to pay electricity tax if I use gas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to invite the ire of those who use the Internet and don&#8217;t download. Why would I need to pay electricity tax if I use gas?</p>
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		<title>By: BlogKast.co.cc</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198409</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogKast.co.cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$300x12 is aprox $3600 a year plus tax!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$300&#215;12 is aprox $3600 a year plus tax!</p>
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		<title>By: BlogKast.co.cc</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198408</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogKast.co.cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i listen to a new cd evewry day of the month with a imesh subscription. if i bought a new cd every day aprox $300 or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i listen to a new cd evewry day of the month with a imesh subscription. if i bought a new cd every day aprox $300 or more.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogKast.co.cc</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198406</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogKast.co.cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps dedicated isp&#039;s should be used that only sign up customers willing to pay for music downloading. those who wont be downloading music can use a seprate isp but get no protection if they use p2p for music</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps dedicated isp&#8217;s should be used that only sign up customers willing to pay for music downloading. those who wont be downloading music can use a seprate isp but get no protection if they use p2p for music</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198085</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it cant work!! some people can hardly afford internet as it is e.g those living on pensions and all they want is to send and receive email. they already have all the music they want (vinal, tape, cd).  

some company&#039;s already offer as much music as you want for a monthly fee. 

if RIAA gets fixed amount of money each year they wont even have to produce good music to get paid!!!!

finally. $23 x 12 = $276 i have never spent that much on CD&#039;s in a year ever. so for me this is a very bad deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it cant work!! some people can hardly afford internet as it is e.g those living on pensions and all they want is to send and receive email. they already have all the music they want (vinal, tape, cd).  </p>
<p>some company&#8217;s already offer as much music as you want for a monthly fee. </p>
<p>if RIAA gets fixed amount of money each year they wont even have to produce good music to get paid!!!!</p>
<p>finally. $23 x 12 = $276 i have never spent that much on CD&#8217;s in a year ever. so for me this is a very bad deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-198072</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will NOT cover books or movies! You are just dreaming if you believe that.

It SHOULD cover all music though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will NOT cover books or movies! You are just dreaming if you believe that.</p>
<p>It SHOULD cover all music though.</p>
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		<title>By: jayson</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-197765</link>
		<dc:creator>jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question I have if ifpa / riaa are involved how if at all will indy / unsigned  artists get payed?
second it had better be speed / bandwidth price scaled IE shaw basic $2 PM high speed extreme $10 per month.  AND it MUST cover ALL content AND all artists / producers
IE movies / music / books ETC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question I have if ifpa / riaa are involved how if at all will indy / unsigned  artists get payed?<br />
second it had better be speed / bandwidth price scaled IE shaw basic $2 PM high speed extreme $10 per month.  AND it MUST cover ALL content AND all artists / producers<br />
IE movies / music / books ETC</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-197701</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$20 dollars for no hassle from the music industry? Wait just a minute here. That&#039;s per month. Before you go to saying that&#039;s a good idea, stop and consider. Just how much are you willing to go up in payments to your ISP? Would your internet connection be worth it if it was say $400 a month to connect with no increase in services from the ISP other than to pay these legal watch dogs off?

If the music industry gets this then the MPAA is gonna want a piece, the BSA is going to want a piece, the ASCAP will want theirs, and new groups will be coming out of the woodwork all wanting a new cut. Before long these that getting paid off will want to go back to the trough; it&#039;s never enough. Then there will be them making new groups under the guise of something else only to double dip. All of this of course coming from everyones pocket that pays for a net connection. 

Without some sort of cap that limits how much your net fee can be raised, it is an open house to any of them to get more and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$20 dollars for no hassle from the music industry? Wait just a minute here. That&#8217;s per month. Before you go to saying that&#8217;s a good idea, stop and consider. Just how much are you willing to go up in payments to your ISP? Would your internet connection be worth it if it was say $400 a month to connect with no increase in services from the ISP other than to pay these legal watch dogs off?</p>
<p>If the music industry gets this then the MPAA is gonna want a piece, the BSA is going to want a piece, the ASCAP will want theirs, and new groups will be coming out of the woodwork all wanting a new cut. Before long these that getting paid off will want to go back to the trough; it&#8217;s never enough. Then there will be them making new groups under the guise of something else only to double dip. All of this of course coming from everyones pocket that pays for a net connection. </p>
<p>Without some sort of cap that limits how much your net fee can be raised, it is an open house to any of them to get more and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-197675</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOME ISSUES

ok, but some issues remains, to start here are some: 

1. Who is going to do the accounting and who will distribute the money to the artists and songwriter?

If the answer is the cartels. with their black room accounting methods, you can be sure that the cartels will keep all the money. 

2. What if some or many artists and songwriters don&#039;t want to participate? Who will represent them in these negotiations and proposals? After all copyrights exist, allegedly, to get the artists and songwriters to create more works for the good of the public. Nowhere does the copyright law says it is for the good of music publishers and record companies.

3. Will non musical works (poems, videos, books, etc.) be treated the same? If not, the question is... is it constitutional?

4. What would then be the purpose of copyright duration periods for individual works? Why not copyright duration for authors and author decendants instead?

5. Can he idea work if only some countries participate?

6. Will a family of 10 downloaders pay the same as an individual downloader?

7. Will sharing and copying through other methods be legal then?

8. Can a subscriber allow others to use his/her computer to download?

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOME ISSUES</p>
<p>ok, but some issues remains, to start here are some: </p>
<p>1. Who is going to do the accounting and who will distribute the money to the artists and songwriter?</p>
<p>If the answer is the cartels. with their black room accounting methods, you can be sure that the cartels will keep all the money. </p>
<p>2. What if some or many artists and songwriters don&#8217;t want to participate? Who will represent them in these negotiations and proposals? After all copyrights exist, allegedly, to get the artists and songwriters to create more works for the good of the public. Nowhere does the copyright law says it is for the good of music publishers and record companies.</p>
<p>3. Will non musical works (poems, videos, books, etc.) be treated the same? If not, the question is&#8230; is it constitutional?</p>
<p>4. What would then be the purpose of copyright duration periods for individual works? Why not copyright duration for authors and author decendants instead?</p>
<p>5. Can he idea work if only some countries participate?</p>
<p>6. Will a family of 10 downloaders pay the same as an individual downloader?</p>
<p>7. Will sharing and copying through other methods be legal then?</p>
<p>8. Can a subscriber allow others to use his/her computer to download?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-197665</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s about friggin&#039; time.  One way or another, these idiots have to realize that their outdated business model isn&#039;t going to work in the digital age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s about friggin&#8217; time.  One way or another, these idiots have to realize that their outdated business model isn&#8217;t going to work in the digital age.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13751/comment-page-1#comment-197615</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blogkast says : thats the kind of scheme i would enjoy using!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blogkast says : thats the kind of scheme i would enjoy using!</p>
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