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		<title>By: bug-eyed</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13958/comment-page-1#comment-210512</link>
		<dc:creator>bug-eyed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See thats another issue. We pay the ISP for b/w costs because places like walmart or Itunes sell their stock right off the web into our hands. So in effect we are paying shipping through costs to the isp. Even with p2p we pay for the cost of download.

So if ever a &quot;tax&quot; did come about in Canada due to p2p, would the telco&#039;s lower cost then add the &quot;tax&quot;? Probably not in my life time.

Yet the tax is there in Canada when we buy media so in effect we pay twice. ISP&#039;s raising rates due to tranist/bandwidth costs and the tax on media. Yet CRIA/RIAA/MPAA screams that they are losing money when in fact they are making money (and so is the ISP, well the big ones who are charging more).

Sure it costs money and sure we pay for it from all sides before we get to download a thing. I can&#039;t see how big telco can get away with charging an arm and a leg for access, then add on an additional 25$ for &quot;unlimited&quot; which isn&#039;t unlimited, then the phone calls or abuse letters for using what we pay for!

Didn&#039;t the crtc and/or analysts say we would benifit having open competiton and lower costs? What happened to that? One big scam is what it is, or what it appears to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See thats another issue. We pay the ISP for b/w costs because places like walmart or Itunes sell their stock right off the web into our hands. So in effect we are paying shipping through costs to the isp. Even with p2p we pay for the cost of download.</p>
<p>So if ever a &#8220;tax&#8221; did come about in Canada due to p2p, would the telco&#8217;s lower cost then add the &#8220;tax&#8221;? Probably not in my life time.</p>
<p>Yet the tax is there in Canada when we buy media so in effect we pay twice. ISP&#8217;s raising rates due to tranist/bandwidth costs and the tax on media. Yet CRIA/RIAA/MPAA screams that they are losing money when in fact they are making money (and so is the ISP, well the big ones who are charging more).</p>
<p>Sure it costs money and sure we pay for it from all sides before we get to download a thing. I can&#8217;t see how big telco can get away with charging an arm and a leg for access, then add on an additional 25$ for &#8220;unlimited&#8221; which isn&#8217;t unlimited, then the phone calls or abuse letters for using what we pay for!</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the crtc and/or analysts say we would benifit having open competiton and lower costs? What happened to that? One big scam is what it is, or what it appears to be.</p>
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		<title>By: R0CKY</title>
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		<dc:creator>R0CKY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny you should mention the milking thing... It&#039;s difficult to pinpoint the problem/answer to this right now as, as with many of the larger telco/cableco companies, you have a mish-mash of information being filtered or analysed but almost never viewed at a &quot;top of the mount&quot; kind of level.  As a result they&#039;re all calling things as they see it to be, when in fact if they pulled all the various details together, they&#039;d see, oops, this doesn&#039;t make sense.

I think this is one of those cases... The login was likely a reaction from their abuse department, who suspended the user, which filtered to their collections, which went to management, who then asked why this account wasn&#039;t cancelled yet, who then went to someone in engineering who saw, hey... their port says they&#039;re still online....Someone else&#039;s login?  From there they likely said something like, that&#039;s not right, and barked.

Problem with this, which kind of ironic, is that that account for Bell just instantly became profitable as it no longer cost them transit....  Not looking at the big picture.

Rocky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny you should mention the milking thing&#8230; It&#8217;s difficult to pinpoint the problem/answer to this right now as, as with many of the larger telco/cableco companies, you have a mish-mash of information being filtered or analysed but almost never viewed at a &#8220;top of the mount&#8221; kind of level.  As a result they&#8217;re all calling things as they see it to be, when in fact if they pulled all the various details together, they&#8217;d see, oops, this doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>I think this is one of those cases&#8230; The login was likely a reaction from their abuse department, who suspended the user, which filtered to their collections, which went to management, who then asked why this account wasn&#8217;t cancelled yet, who then went to someone in engineering who saw, hey&#8230; their port says they&#8217;re still online&#8230;.Someone else&#8217;s login?  From there they likely said something like, that&#8217;s not right, and barked.</p>
<p>Problem with this, which kind of ironic, is that that account for Bell just instantly became profitable as it no longer cost them transit&#8230;.  Not looking at the big picture.</p>
<p>Rocky</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would fire Ottawa Gal for this&quot;

heh. It&#039;s probably me who should be fired. Now fixed, and thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would fire Ottawa Gal for this&#8221;</p>
<p>heh. It&#8217;s probably me who should be fired. Now fixed, and thanks <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13958/comment-page-1#comment-210367</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What amazes me is how little people look for alternate ISP&#039;s. Most go for the big telco but neglect the smaller competition who provide better value for your money. The reference given in the reference links is a good place to start since these are reviewd and commented on by many users:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;The Good, Bad, and Ugly board of ISP’s&quot;; http://www.dslreports.com/gbu&lt;br /&gt;
The big telco&#039;s don&#039;t seem to be that great in comparison.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;on another note, I think to some extent that there is some hokey-pokey going on with big telco. How can they not provide unlimited when the small ISP&#039;s can? Lets face it the big telco do have its hands in the american&#039;s pockets, so I&#039;m inclined to think there could be american influance, aside from making more profit and milking the subscribers. There was a PDF on BCE&#039;s web site stating that Bell would co-operate with americans and such on cross-border issues (terrorism aside). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can a big telco be afraid of a login account, big deal. How many would even know this route or pay know its available? Seems a little too heavy handed to me to more or less black-list them from DSL all together by removing them as eligable for DSL for reasons that they don&#039;t even tell their own customers about!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So there is more to this story (and this milking machine called big telco)...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also I think there is a typo in two URL&#039;s&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where it states:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;(Canadian competitiveness consultation)&quot; It should have two links:&lt;br /&gt;
http://mhgoldberg.com/blog/&lt;br /&gt;
AND&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/cprp-gepmc.nsf/en/h_00001e.html&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would fire Ottawa Gal for this.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amazes me is how little people look for alternate ISP&#8217;s. Most go for the big telco but neglect the smaller competition who provide better value for your money. The reference given in the reference links is a good place to start since these are reviewd and commented on by many users:<br />
&#8220;The Good, Bad, and Ugly board of ISP’s&#8221;; <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/gbu" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/gbu</a><br />
The big telco&#8217;s don&#8217;t seem to be that great in comparison.</p>
<p>on another note, I think to some extent that there is some hokey-pokey going on with big telco. How can they not provide unlimited when the small ISP&#8217;s can? Lets face it the big telco do have its hands in the american&#8217;s pockets, so I&#8217;m inclined to think there could be american influance, aside from making more profit and milking the subscribers. There was a PDF on BCE&#8217;s web site stating that Bell would co-operate with americans and such on cross-border issues (terrorism aside). </p>
<p>How can a big telco be afraid of a login account, big deal. How many would even know this route or pay know its available? Seems a little too heavy handed to me to more or less black-list them from DSL all together by removing them as eligable for DSL for reasons that they don&#8217;t even tell their own customers about!</p>
<p>So there is more to this story (and this milking machine called big telco)&#8230;</p>
<p>Also I think there is a typo in two URL&#8217;s</p>
<p>Where it states:<br />
&#8220;(Canadian competitiveness consultation)&#8221; It should have two links:<br />
<a href="http://mhgoldberg.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://mhgoldberg.com/blog/</a><br />
AND<br />
<a href="http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/cprp-gepmc.nsf/en/h_00001e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/cprp-gepmc.nsf/en/h_00001e.html</a></p>
<p>I would fire Ottawa Gal for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13958/comment-page-1#comment-210300</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a joke right???

That web page says:
&quot;Enjoy lightening fast 1.0mbs connections for as little as 45.99/month&quot;

Ummm hate to break the news to you if it isn&#039;t a joke, but even bell can give you 1mbps for less cost. Thats 24$ dsl... Hope it was a joke... if not you are being screwed big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a joke right???</p>
<p>That web page says:<br />
&#8220;Enjoy lightening fast 1.0mbs connections for as little as 45.99/month&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm hate to break the news to you if it isn&#8217;t a joke, but even bell can give you 1mbps for less cost. Thats 24$ dsl&#8230; Hope it was a joke&#8230; if not you are being screwed big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13958/comment-page-1#comment-210287</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use http://yourlink.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use <a href="http://yourlink.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://yourlink.ca/</a></p>
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