Comments on: France goes to war against file sharers http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098 p2pnet.net - reader powered Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:27:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Charbax http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-217468 Charbax Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:51:10 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-217468 What is funny is that the guy who wrote this law is the CEO of Fnac, which is the biggest retail store chain for CDs and DVDs in France. Such distributor is totally useless in this digital age, where artists should be able to sell their music directly to the consumers. What's also funny is that the Bush-friendly extreme right french president Sarkozy wants to disconnect people from the Internet, put people on a nationnal database and not allow them to sign up for another ISP, then fine users up to 3 million euros and put them in jail even. This is so ridiculously funny ridiculous, putting the kids and other young people in jail, fine them, ban them from using the Internet just because they are not accepting to pay intermediaries like Fnac for a service that is absolutely useless to both artists and consumers. What is funny is that the guy who wrote this law is the CEO of Fnac, which is the biggest retail store chain for CDs and DVDs in France. Such distributor is totally useless in this digital age, where artists should be able to sell their music directly to the consumers.

What’s also funny is that the Bush-friendly extreme right french president Sarkozy wants to disconnect people from the Internet, put people on a nationnal database and not allow them to sign up for another ISP, then fine users up to 3 million euros and put them in jail even. This is so ridiculously funny ridiculous, putting the kids and other young people in jail, fine them, ban them from using the Internet just because they are not accepting to pay intermediaries like Fnac for a service that is absolutely useless to both artists and consumers.

]]> By: jw http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-216722 jw Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:45:01 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-216722 M. Clavel, I would be happy to discuss this further with you, if you are willing, by e-mail: jwalker46 (at) gmail.com M. Clavel, I would be happy to discuss this further with you, if you are willing, by e-mail: jwalker46 (at) gmail.com

]]> By: Mathieu Clavel http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-216719 Mathieu Clavel Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:34:22 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-216719 From what I understand , ISP would use a database of prints and the fingerprinting or watermarking of the files. The database would be created by the owners of the music/movies (Big 4...). So for p2p, if communications are crypted, the only way to know willl be to download as a peer and test the file, it would impossible to know other way if the download is illegal. For youtube like, they can test before they share, what they are trying to do currently. For the business part, ISP can't have a clue, it's a cop job. I know that from the first ideas, to the submit laws, then assembly talk and vote, and publishing of the law (when it becomes effective) there are lots of changes and many times the result can go directly to trash, as for most of the DADVSI law, adopted in the beginning of this year, from a 10 years old european directive. From what I understand , ISP would use a database of prints and the fingerprinting or watermarking of the files.
The database would be created by the owners of the music/movies (Big 4…).
So for p2p, if communications are crypted, the only way to know willl be to download as a peer and test the file, it would impossible to know other way if the download is illegal. For youtube like, they can test before they share, what they are trying to do currently.
For the business part, ISP can’t have a clue, it’s a cop job.
I know that from the first ideas, to the submit laws, then assembly talk and vote, and publishing of the law (when it becomes effective) there are lots of changes and many times the result can go directly to trash, as for most of the DADVSI law, adopted in the beginning of this year, from a 10 years old european directive.

]]> By: jw http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-216654 jw Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:10:33 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-216654 To M. Clavel: My French is poor, so I to not understand the details of the proposal here: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/index-olivennes231107.htm How would the ISP determine if downloading was legal or not? If just by the quantity, how would the ISP know if it was business-related?? Merci d'avance pour votre aide ! To M. Clavel:

My French is poor, so I to not understand the details of the proposal here:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/index-olivennes231107.htm

How would the ISP determine if downloading was legal or not?
If just by the quantity, how would the ISP know if it was business-related??

Merci d’avance pour votre aide !

]]> By: Mathieu Clavel http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-216574 Mathieu Clavel Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:43:32 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-216574 Filesharing wasn't legalized. We have an exception named "private copy" that allow us to exchange cultural product in a private circle (family, friends), in exchange we pay a tax on blank cd dvd medias, and now also external hard drives and memory cards (they are now talking to tax game console with hard drive). There is the translation of the wikipedia article: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCopie_priv%25C3%25A9e&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 There is no Case law about p2p in France, mostly that Internet is not in the private circle. There was a Case Law about the dvd protection allowing it, but I'm not sure what really is the case law. Someone was willing to copy Mulholland Drive DVD on a VHS (legal in private copy) and couldn't so he made a law suit, he won in first lawsuit and appeal but the decision was broken. Currently, we are paying more and more tax (or should be paying, because lots of people by their medias abroad and don't pay the tax, although they should tell it) for a something we can nearly only do illegaly. There is no secret in France that Sarkozy take money from the poor to give to the rich. He said also this this morning : "There are also emergency measures to be taken to enable the music industry to survive and give him time to adapt to the new model that emerges." It's only their fault if they are not already adapted ! Filesharing wasn’t legalized.
We have an exception named “private copy” that allow us to exchange cultural product in a private circle (family, friends), in exchange we pay a tax on blank cd dvd medias, and now also external hard drives and memory cards (they are now talking to tax game console with hard drive).
There is the translation of the wikipedia article:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCopie_priv%25C3%25A9e&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8
There is no Case law about p2p in France, mostly that Internet is not in the private circle.
There was a Case Law about the dvd protection allowing it, but I’m not sure what really is the case law. Someone was willing to copy Mulholland Drive DVD on a VHS (legal in private copy) and couldn’t so he made a law suit, he won in first lawsuit and appeal but the decision was broken.
Currently, we are paying more and more tax (or should be paying, because lots of people by their medias abroad and don’t pay the tax, although they should tell it) for a something we can nearly only do illegaly.
There is no secret in France that Sarkozy take money from the poor to give to the rich.
He said also this this morning :
“There are also emergency measures to be taken to enable the music industry to survive and give him time to adapt to the new model that emerges.”
It’s only their fault if they are not already adapted !

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098/comment-page-1#comment-216518 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:03:32 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14098#comment-216518 Uh....didn't they already legalize filesharing in France? Uh….didn’t they already legalize filesharing in France?

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