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	<title>Comments on: Canada music fileshare plan no solution</title>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-231759</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just who is going to collect and distribute this money; SoundExchange?&quot;

For the idea to work it must cover all copyrights (literature, graphics, science, etc). There is no known worlwide (or otherwise) capable organization of doing what would be required, nor even serving as a model for a new organization.

All known money collecting societies that cover only one subject such as music for only one countriy, have been corrupted (infiltrated by the enemy may be a better description) from the start and are useless because of dishonesty and useless record keepig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just who is going to collect and distribute this money; SoundExchange?&#8221;</p>
<p>For the idea to work it must cover all copyrights (literature, graphics, science, etc). There is no known worlwide (or otherwise) capable organization of doing what would be required, nor even serving as a model for a new organization.</p>
<p>All known money collecting societies that cover only one subject such as music for only one countriy, have been corrupted (infiltrated by the enemy may be a better description) from the start and are useless because of dishonesty and useless record keepig.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey D. Luffy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-231136</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey D. Luffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just who is going to collect and distribute this money; SoundExchange? From what I have read they don&#039;t have a great track record paying musicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just who is going to collect and distribute this money; SoundExchange? From what I have read they don&#8217;t have a great track record paying musicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-230263</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One million emails sending the same song at the same time ist going to set off some alarms, don’t you think?

Performance rights orgaizarionASCAP and BMI license over 75 million songs. Surely no one will suspect if they get a million hits per day. And surely no one will know how many are legit and how many are because of fraud. Just as is done with radio aiplay data.

Also a music publisher with 200,000 songs would not be above a scam as the one I described. They already have scams to get more than their due from the performance rights orgaization (thay are in the PRO boards) and to pay less than due to songwriter, all of which is suspicious but no one investigates or does anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One million emails sending the same song at the same time ist going to set off some alarms, don’t you think?</p>
<p>Performance rights orgaizarionASCAP and BMI license over 75 million songs. Surely no one will suspect if they get a million hits per day. And surely no one will know how many are legit and how many are because of fraud. Just as is done with radio aiplay data.</p>
<p>Also a music publisher with 200,000 songs would not be above a scam as the one I described. They already have scams to get more than their due from the performance rights orgaization (thay are in the PRO boards) and to pay less than due to songwriter, all of which is suspicious but no one investigates or does anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-229938</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are ways to protect the system from being gamed.  One million emails sending the same song at the same time ist going to set off some alarms, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are ways to protect the system from being gamed.  One million emails sending the same song at the same time ist going to set off some alarms, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-229646</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERE IS OUR SCAM PLAN

If we, as music owners and publisher get paif more if our music is somehow moved along though the Internet, we will set up several computers dedicated to only do one thing...mail FREE copies of our songs to our one million person mailing list.

And I will patent the idea as a method of business in the US Copyright Office. Our license for the patent will be sold to further maximize our income.

We sure will make a bundle in Canada and elsewhere with our ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERE IS OUR SCAM PLAN</p>
<p>If we, as music owners and publisher get paif more if our music is somehow moved along though the Internet, we will set up several computers dedicated to only do one thing&#8230;mail FREE copies of our songs to our one million person mailing list.</p>
<p>And I will patent the idea as a method of business in the US Copyright Office. Our license for the patent will be sold to further maximize our income.</p>
<p>We sure will make a bundle in Canada and elsewhere with our ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-229241</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has needed saying for a long time. Everybody goes on about how the movie guys and the music guys would make even more money if only they weren&#039;t so backward. Digital is their future and all that. Well what if its NOT! The business landscape is littered with enterprises that flourished and died. Been to a circus lately? An opera?  How about a vaudeville show?  Yes, classical music concerts, ballet, and most recently live theater and certainly live tv....all dead or dying. Or kept on life support by rich patrons who cover the losses of theater troups and artists. What if the music business and movie business as we know them are about to join this group of dead enterprises and all because of us?  To paraphrase Danny DeVito.....I can answer that for you in two words:



WHO.....CARES?


Care about them?  They didn&#039;t care about YOU. They bled you dry! They sold you LPs and 8 tracks and cassettes, VHS tapes, Beta tapes, laser discs and you spent thousands for your collections. Their businesses are running at 100% to 80% of what they made 10 years ago. And your collections of media.......worthless!

They&#039;re dead alright! They&#039;re just not broke. Let &#039;em take their money and their film libraries and the record masters and try to start a new enterprise, one that has a future. If they don&#039;t make as much money....well thats the breaks. there are no promises or certainties in this world. In any case they are doomed in the long run. Why? Because even if the courts did this and  the ISPs did that and the new govt guy does the other thing...they are dead. People have only so much time and money to spend, even if they go deeply in debt and stay up all night. Years ago there were no role playing games, no online gaming, no internet, no &quot;guitar hero&quot;, no &quot;facebook&quot; no none of the most popular distractions of today. And people worked LESS! Yeah, look it up. We have less time to play than we used to. These new activities have sapped the desire to shlep over to a movie theater and get ripped off. Who wants to buy a record and run home to play it. Big deal! Old stuff! Go online and kill some trolls....now thats something to look forward to.

So guys get with it. Find your place in the new order of things or go down the drain. Sure, you will take some poor students with you. The kamikasi attack is always the last strategy. But a generation or two from now, kids will get bussed (or teleported) to THE MOVIES as a school field trip so they can see how their forefathers lived back in the privitive days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has needed saying for a long time. Everybody goes on about how the movie guys and the music guys would make even more money if only they weren&#8217;t so backward. Digital is their future and all that. Well what if its NOT! The business landscape is littered with enterprises that flourished and died. Been to a circus lately? An opera?  How about a vaudeville show?  Yes, classical music concerts, ballet, and most recently live theater and certainly live tv&#8230;.all dead or dying. Or kept on life support by rich patrons who cover the losses of theater troups and artists. What if the music business and movie business as we know them are about to join this group of dead enterprises and all because of us?  To paraphrase Danny DeVito&#8230;..I can answer that for you in two words:</p>
<p>WHO&#8230;..CARES?</p>
<p>Care about them?  They didn&#8217;t care about YOU. They bled you dry! They sold you LPs and 8 tracks and cassettes, VHS tapes, Beta tapes, laser discs and you spent thousands for your collections. Their businesses are running at 100% to 80% of what they made 10 years ago. And your collections of media&#8230;&#8230;.worthless!</p>
<p>They&#8217;re dead alright! They&#8217;re just not broke. Let &#8216;em take their money and their film libraries and the record masters and try to start a new enterprise, one that has a future. If they don&#8217;t make as much money&#8230;.well thats the breaks. there are no promises or certainties in this world. In any case they are doomed in the long run. Why? Because even if the courts did this and  the ISPs did that and the new govt guy does the other thing&#8230;they are dead. People have only so much time and money to spend, even if they go deeply in debt and stay up all night. Years ago there were no role playing games, no online gaming, no internet, no &#8220;guitar hero&#8221;, no &#8220;facebook&#8221; no none of the most popular distractions of today. And people worked LESS! Yeah, look it up. We have less time to play than we used to. These new activities have sapped the desire to shlep over to a movie theater and get ripped off. Who wants to buy a record and run home to play it. Big deal! Old stuff! Go online and kill some trolls&#8230;.now thats something to look forward to.</p>
<p>So guys get with it. Find your place in the new order of things or go down the drain. Sure, you will take some poor students with you. The kamikasi attack is always the last strategy. But a generation or two from now, kids will get bussed (or teleported) to THE MOVIES as a school field trip so they can see how their forefathers lived back in the privitive days.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-228917</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right about that, but I think it&#039;s worth noting that not everyone uses blank CD&#039;s to burn music (a lot of people simply use it to store photos, home videos, etc; back up important files, and move data from one computer to the next).  However, we&#039;re all forced to pay the same fee regardless of how we use the discs, in a move that&#039;s essentially a compromise.  The industry gets fairly compensated, but because it&#039;s a fee that every consumer must pay, it&#039;s kept to a minimum.

However, this new business model raises some issues.  He mentions that film companies, software companies, etc, may also want a piece of the pie, and the monthly fee will only get higher.  And since not every internet user engages in P2P filesharing, it seems unfair to charge such an exorbitant amount to every consumer.  For this reason, it only seems logical that, rather than automatically adding this fee to everyone&#039;s internet connection, consumers should choose whether they want to partake in it or not.  Of course, this also means that the ones who do want to take advantage of it will have to pay extra, but those who think it&#039;s too expensive will have the choice not to participate.  What&#039;s more, is that if a similar system is introduced for other types of content, everyone will be able to choose which ones they want and which ones they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right about that, but I think it&#8217;s worth noting that not everyone uses blank CD&#8217;s to burn music (a lot of people simply use it to store photos, home videos, etc; back up important files, and move data from one computer to the next).  However, we&#8217;re all forced to pay the same fee regardless of how we use the discs, in a move that&#8217;s essentially a compromise.  The industry gets fairly compensated, but because it&#8217;s a fee that every consumer must pay, it&#8217;s kept to a minimum.</p>
<p>However, this new business model raises some issues.  He mentions that film companies, software companies, etc, may also want a piece of the pie, and the monthly fee will only get higher.  And since not every internet user engages in P2P filesharing, it seems unfair to charge such an exorbitant amount to every consumer.  For this reason, it only seems logical that, rather than automatically adding this fee to everyone&#8217;s internet connection, consumers should choose whether they want to partake in it or not.  Of course, this also means that the ones who do want to take advantage of it will have to pay extra, but those who think it&#8217;s too expensive will have the choice not to participate.  What&#8217;s more, is that if a similar system is introduced for other types of content, everyone will be able to choose which ones they want and which ones they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14255/comment-page-1#comment-228867</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the fee on blank media supposed to do something similar?  At first is was to compensate for copying. Eventually the story was &quot;its still completely illegal. the fee is a form of fine for scofflaws&quot; and people had gained nothing but now paid more for their blanks. There isn&#039;t enough money in the world to compensate everybody for the money they think they would have made if only things were different. Maybe they will begin compensating me for the stock trades I was going to make but didn&#039;t, at least in those cases where I would have made a profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the fee on blank media supposed to do something similar?  At first is was to compensate for copying. Eventually the story was &#8220;its still completely illegal. the fee is a form of fine for scofflaws&#8221; and people had gained nothing but now paid more for their blanks. There isn&#8217;t enough money in the world to compensate everybody for the money they think they would have made if only things were different. Maybe they will begin compensating me for the stock trades I was going to make but didn&#8217;t, at least in those cases where I would have made a profit.</p>
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