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Rip your legal CD? You’re a thief: RIAA

p2pnet news | P2P:- “So now, I’m considered a thief because a rip a copy to my mp3 player?” - asks p2pnet reader Cyberscan incredulously in a comment post to news that Warner Music, EMI, Vivendi Universal and Sony BMG’s RIAA is now attempting to claim ripping music from your ‘legal’ CD is against the law.

But he’s not the only one who finds the suggestion mind-boggling.

The Washington Post’s Marc Fisher also finds it hard to believe, writing:

“Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

“Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry’s lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

“Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.”

As p2pnet pointed out on Saturday, Fisher is quite probably ten thousand or so shy in his estimation of the number of RIAA victims.

We went on:

Only one of the 30,000 or so men, women and children subpoenaed by the RIAA has actually appeared in a civil court and that case, centering on a Minnesota mother, Jammie Thomas, was a farce from beginning to end, and it’s under appeal.

She was ordered to pay the multi-billion-dollar record labels close to $250,000, a ridiculous amount for any ordinary person (as all of the RIAA’s victims are), let alone a single mother with two kids.

It’s reached a point where you can’t do anything with a CD or any other kind of music you paid good money for and according to Sony BMG, even copying your own CD is stealing!

During Thomas’ trial RIAA star witness Jennifer Pariser, billed as “the top litigator for the Sony BMG Music Group,” baldly stated, “when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song”.

Say Fisher, “The industry’s lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are ‘unauthorized copies’ of copyrighted recordings.

“I couldn’t believe it when I read that,” he has Recording Industry vs The People’s Ray Beckerman, who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA, saying.

“The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation.”

The Washington Post adds:

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers - an act at the very heart of the digital revolution - has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry’s own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it “won’t usually raise concerns,” as long as you don’t give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that’s exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The story goes on to reiterate p2pnet’s observation that the Howell case isn’t the first time the Big 4 have tried to claim making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal, adding another choice quote from Pariser.

Copying a song you bought is a nice way of saying, “steals just one copy,” according to her.

Fisher adds:

“The RIAA’s legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed.

“Four years of a failed strategy has only ‘created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies,’ Beckerman says. ‘Every problem they’re trying to solve is worse now than when they started’.”

But screw you, say Warner Music, EMI, Vivendi Universal and Sony BMG to their own customers, with their RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) as their mouthpiece.

“The industry ‘will continue to bring lawsuits’ against those who ‘ignore years of warnings’,” the Washington Post has RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy saying in a statement.

Meanwhile, Cyberscan goes on:

Am I a thief for having a radio on in a waiting room or using it to supply music on hold? I think the answer that the record companies give is, ‘Yes,’ unless I am willing to fork over even more money to use the product I BOUGHT in the manner I want. Needless to say, the record companies do not need to worry about me ’stealing their’ product.. I threw their product into the trash can. If the record companies don’t want me to use their product to meet my needs, I won’t.

There are plenty of independent musicians that produce quality product licensed under the Creative Commons license. This is the stuff that gets played to my callers and what my callers here when they come into my office. I have actually gotten compliments on the stuff I play, and when this happens, I refer my customers to the musicians’ websites. I don’t know whether my customers buy their music or not, but I have given the musicians free advertisement, and yes, I have bought some of their music.

Sterling Ball, a jovial, plain-talking businessman, is CEO of Ernie Ball, the world’s leading maker of premium guitar strings endorsed by generations of artists ranging from the likes of Eric Clapton to the dudes from Metallica. But since jettisoning all of Microsoft products three years ago, Ernie Ball has also gained notoriety as a company that dumped most of its proprietary software - and still lived to tell the tale.

In 2000, the Business Software Alliance conducted a raid and subsequent audit at the San Luis Obispo, Calif.-based company that turned up a few dozen unlicensed copies of programs. Ball settled for $65,000, plus $35,000 in legal fees. But by then, the BSA, a trade group that helps enforce copyrights and licensing provisions for major business software makers, had put the company on the evening news and featured it in regional ads warning other businesses to monitor their software licenses. Humiliated by the experience, Ball told his IT department he wanted Microsoft products out of his business within six months. ‘I said, ‘I don’t care if we have to buy 10,000 abacuses,’ recalled Ball, who recently addressed the LinuxWorld trade show. ‘We won’t do business with someone who treats us poorly.’

What happened to him and his views of the people that did it to him are exactly the same as many who are fed up with how the entertainment cartels treat their customers.

Many of my fellow software authors say that people cannot make money by giving away ownership of code. I beg to differ. I make a pretty good living doing exactly this. I go into a business which has an antiquated phone system and demonstrate how much money that company can save by installing a VOIP phone system. I then get a used laptop computer, a VOIP FXS gateway, and a few inexpensive IP phones from off the net. I cobble and hack these things together and make a really nice phone system that routes long distance calls over the Internet while using their current POTS system for local calls. The companies usually pay a maximum 2 cents a minute for outgoing long distance calls (with no connection fees or exorbitant taxes). My system does much more as well. It filters out unwanted calls and also guards the building at night. I glued this system together using Linux, Asterisk, and about a hundred or so lines of code. I spent two days setting the first system up, and I made $200. I can now use and recycle my code and do a much faster job. In many cases I set up a system that allows a company to keep its current phone system

Yes, those who produce intellectual products such as music, movies and code need to realize that they are like any other business. They have to sell their products or service at a price customers are willing to pay, or else the customers will go to someone else who will.

The movie, software, and music cartels are beginning to find this out, and with modern day licensing such as the GPL, Creative Commons, and most importantly, the Net, there is real competition. These companies have to compete on a level playing field with EVERYONE else who wants to play, and there is not a damned thing they can do about it.

Stay tuned.

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Also see:
against the law - RIAA: copying your CD is illegal, December 29, 2007
Washington Post - Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use, December 30, 2007


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7 Responses to “Rip your legal CD? You’re a thief: RIAA”

  1. Michael Miles Says:

    As far as I can see we are at the brink of Global Nuclear War. If the Business world thinks that we really care about their little problem with copying CD or DVD then think again.
    How in Gods world are they going to control it. As soon as copy protection is out there is someone out there that publishes cracks. So go ahead and waste some more time.

    If I buy a CD then I give it to all my friends for free. It goes on my Ipod and my computer and then I upload it for P2P use. So blow it out you ear and stuff it.

  2. Ian Says:

    Music and movies are not like paintings. The media is different now. An original painting should get what ever people are willing to pay for it. Entertainers should be selling stuff that is original, like playing live concerts. People will pay large if you are good. Digital media is not worth squat. It is now something you use to to get people to come see you live. Not the other way round as it was in the stone age. Things have changed and the gangsters that run these artists want to keep us in the stone age. What is totally disgusting is that governments and law makers go along with these gangsters. Once they tried to stop Americans from drinking alcohol so the gangsters could make large. It did nothing else. This is nothing but corruption and desperate people squeezing money from your wallet with laws. It won’t work in fact if an artist sides with these gangsters and law makers I will not pay to see them live either. I am all for paying what the market will bare. Clearly people won’t pay what these gangsters want us to pay. Law makers, governments, entertainers, RIAA and the like should all be in jail for the corruption, theft, and gangsterism .

  3. Reader's Write Says:

    RIAA should stop drinking bong water..

  4. Compliant Consumer Says:

    Well, in the 90s, I used to buy shitload & shitloads & shitloads of CD’s. I would get whole full price albums ya know, just for the one track that I liked! :D

    Then the evil of Napster & its clones came on the scene.

    I download. And download. And then downloaded some more.

    I stopped buying CD’s. Completely. My illegal online activity had turned me into a massive online distributor and a criminal. :-$ :’-(

    Then salvation came through my door, in the form of an unassuming plain brown envelope, addressed directly to me. It was from those nice people at the RIAA, explaining that I had done wrong and wreaked havoc on my beloved Music Industy that strove so hard to bring such great music at great prices.

    They said that I could absolve myself for the reasonable sum of $6999.99 in three easy payments and a written promise never to do this again.

    I initially (selfishly) resisted their generous offer, but a couple of well-built & friendly chaps came round & convinced me otherwise. One easy credit card transaction & my signature later and it was all done! :D Apparently, that transaction had the benefit of going down as cash, which is great.

    I feel so much better now. I have deleted all 50,000+ MP3’s that I illegally stole via p2p (not forgetting my own illegal CD rips, of course).

    I now go into my local record store at least weekly & ensure that I buy something - anything. Even if there’s nothing that I can think of, I’ll just get whatever they have on promotion and average a good $30-$40 per visit. If by some chance I don’t like something, I’ll simply return to the shop and discreetly put the CD back on the shelf - no need for a refund. Doing my bit to support my beloved Music Industry, bless. ;-)

    Remember people: every single one of those illegal downloads (and CD rips) was a lost sale. The value must run into the millions! That $6999.99 compensation was a really small gesture on my part, to atone for my crimes.

    I now spread the message as far as I can.

    Sorry everyone, I just couldn’t resist. Bet for a minute there you thought I’d flipped…

    That little scenario would be the dream of the music industry, wouldn’t it? Wankers - doesn’t even deserve to be bleeped out. I’m so glad that in reality, they are going down in flames. Question is, how many regular people are they gonna take down with them in the meantime?

  5. Taggart Romkey Says:

    I think the RIAA and other agencies like them have smoking crack. As soon as Napster hit the Internet in 1999 the era of paying for music and movies ended. Same as the Hollywood era ended when Youtube hit the internet. To me the RIAA suing people who copy cd’s for their own use demonstrates they’re nothing more than a bunch of greedy fat cats who are on crack if they think law suits are going to do anything.

    I’m surprised that law makers are dumb enough to go along with this. If i was a law maker I’d tell them to stop wasting the time of both the police and court systems. Law makers should be more focused on catching the idiots who upload kiddie porn and hack other people’s bank accounts and not wasting time going after college students who download episodes of Heroes or soccer moms who are downloading Britney Spears for their kids.

    In closing if they’re suing people for Ripping cd’s and want to go after people listening to “their product” on the radio then they better go sue Walmart, HMV and Columbia House also for enabling to purchase their product to pirate in the first place. In the end who is the people who will ultimately be hurt by the actions of the RIAA? The answer is the RIAA themselves.

  6. Mike Ox-Small Says:

    If Sony says that copying music from my won CD’s onto another CD is illegal, then I demand that Sony give me a refund for all the blank CD’s and Cassettes I bought in the past 30 years! Then again, I won’t hold my friggin’ breath waiting for that to happen…

  7. pablo Says:

    They do say it’s illegal: http://www.musicunited.org/2_thelaw.html

    “If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you’re stealing. You’re breaking the law, and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages”.

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