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	<title>Comments on: Niggy Tardust &#8212; breaking the chains</title>
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		<title>By: Usom Yanon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14547/comment-page-1#comment-265063</link>
		<dc:creator>Usom Yanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: Payment was optional.  You could DL the album at 192 kbps MP3 for free, or pay $5 for 192mp3, 320mp3, or FLAC.  Payment was totally optional, and like Trent said in his post, there was absolutely no DRM, nor any advertising.  The main people to hear about this were NIN fans, who may or may not be fans of Saul&#039;s stuff, or even heard of him.

The other thing that TR mentioned that&#039;s worth underlining is that he overspent on production bringing in A-list talent, etc (check nin.com for the full rundown).  Saul may or may not be A-list talent.  Frankly, that&#039;s a matter of opinion.  What Saul hasn&#039;t been is an a-list seller.  Assuming one of the labels would even have backed another record by him, I doubt he would have gotten whoever TR brought in to do the album.

Whatever else you can say about the big labels, they do have some cut-throat business instincts.

All this aside, I&#039;d love to see TR release new figures in a month or so, plus any data about SW&#039;s previous album sales.  I&#039;m just wondering how many others are like me and guilted themselves into giving Saul another shot.  I&#039;ve found that yeah, I like it, and I&#039;ll listen to it again, enough to spend 5 for FLAC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: Payment was optional.  You could DL the album at 192 kbps MP3 for free, or pay $5 for 192mp3, 320mp3, or FLAC.  Payment was totally optional, and like Trent said in his post, there was absolutely no DRM, nor any advertising.  The main people to hear about this were NIN fans, who may or may not be fans of Saul&#8217;s stuff, or even heard of him.</p>
<p>The other thing that TR mentioned that&#8217;s worth underlining is that he overspent on production bringing in A-list talent, etc (check nin.com for the full rundown).  Saul may or may not be A-list talent.  Frankly, that&#8217;s a matter of opinion.  What Saul hasn&#8217;t been is an a-list seller.  Assuming one of the labels would even have backed another record by him, I doubt he would have gotten whoever TR brought in to do the album.</p>
<p>Whatever else you can say about the big labels, they do have some cut-throat business instincts.</p>
<p>All this aside, I&#8217;d love to see TR release new figures in a month or so, plus any data about SW&#8217;s previous album sales.  I&#8217;m just wondering how many others are like me and guilted themselves into giving Saul another shot.  I&#8217;ve found that yeah, I like it, and I&#8217;ll listen to it again, enough to spend 5 for FLAC.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14547/comment-page-1#comment-264872</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The albums pretty good.  Space rock fused with rap and niggyness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The albums pretty good.  Space rock fused with rap and niggyness.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14547/comment-page-1#comment-263799</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right Henry.  It must be because people are cheap.  It couldn&#039;t possibly be because people wanted to try before they bought.  No way.  That wouldn&#039;t support your agenda of propping up the old dead business models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Henry.  It must be because people are cheap.  It couldn&#8217;t possibly be because people wanted to try before they bought.  No way.  That wouldn&#8217;t support your agenda of propping up the old dead business models.</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14547/comment-page-1#comment-263725</link>
		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18% paid, hmmm.  I question that number a bit

I have never heard Saul&#039;s music before. I would prefer to use the $0 download to listen to the music, if I liked it I would then use the $5 option to buy it. I wonder how many others did this?   

Again I am not a fan as I have never heard of him before, yet somehow I have found myself at the site a few times, debating whether to dl the $0 version to try. I have as of yet not dl it.  My thinking is if I do and I do not like it, my non purchasing dl will just be warped into some statistic proof that no one will pay if its optional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18% paid, hmmm.  I question that number a bit</p>
<p>I have never heard Saul&#8217;s music before. I would prefer to use the $0 download to listen to the music, if I liked it I would then use the $5 option to buy it. I wonder how many others did this?   </p>
<p>Again I am not a fan as I have never heard of him before, yet somehow I have found myself at the site a few times, debating whether to dl the $0 version to try. I have as of yet not dl it.  My thinking is if I do and I do not like it, my non purchasing dl will just be warped into some statistic proof that no one will pay if its optional.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Henry.

Having a nice day? :)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Henry.</p>
<p>Having a nice day? <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14547/comment-page-1#comment-263543</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two questions....

1.  Did they make it where you pay up front, or after you had listened, and if it is up front, how many would pay something after listening to the album?

2. If you could factor in the bandwidth cost, why have an option of $0. If they made the experiment $5 or $.50 (or however much a nominal fee would cover bandwidth), would there be as many people downloading it for the nominal fee as there was who got it for free?

I also believe that they could write off the bandwidth cost in their taxes since the income from the downloads is direct and not filtered by some bloated corporation who would charge the artist for the bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two questions&#8230;.</p>
<p>1.  Did they make it where you pay up front, or after you had listened, and if it is up front, how many would pay something after listening to the album?</p>
<p>2. If you could factor in the bandwidth cost, why have an option of $0. If they made the experiment $5 or $.50 (or however much a nominal fee would cover bandwidth), would there be as many people downloading it for the nominal fee as there was who got it for free?</p>
<p>I also believe that they could write off the bandwidth cost in their taxes since the income from the downloads is direct and not filtered by some bloated corporation who would charge the artist for the bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this confirms my suspicions:

   1. supposedly p2p advocates &quot;respect&quot; the artists, but when only 18 percent even bothered to pay ANYTHING, it&#039;s obvious that their &quot;respect&quot; stops at actually bothering to reimburse the artists at all.

   2. So much for the &quot;high-minded&quot; bullshit about how &quot;it&#039;s not about the artists -- we just don&#039;t like teh bloated, corporate bullshit!&quot;   That whole schtick was transparently thin from the start, as was the &quot;CD&#039;s cost &#039;too much&#039;&quot; like.  (Obviously they do -- &quot;too much&quot; = &quot;any price whatsoever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this confirms my suspicions:</p>
<p>   1. supposedly p2p advocates &#8220;respect&#8221; the artists, but when only 18 percent even bothered to pay ANYTHING, it&#8217;s obvious that their &#8220;respect&#8221; stops at actually bothering to reimburse the artists at all.</p>
<p>   2. So much for the &#8220;high-minded&#8221; bullshit about how &#8220;it&#8217;s not about the artists &#8212; we just don&#8217;t like teh bloated, corporate bullshit!&#8221;   That whole schtick was transparently thin from the start, as was the &#8220;CD&#8217;s cost &#8216;too much&#8217;&#8221; like.  (Obviously they do &#8212; &#8220;too much&#8221; = &#8220;any price whatsoever.&#8221;</p>
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