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	<title>Comments on: Sony BMG touts $20 MP3 cards</title>
	<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582</link>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A_Dumb_Fanboy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-269042</link>
		<author>A_Dumb_Fanboy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-269042</guid>
		<description>I DO NOT WANT SONY DRM!!!!!

I want my DRM from Microsoft, Toshiba or Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DO NOT WANT SONY DRM!!!!!</p>
<p>I want my DRM from Microsoft, Toshiba or Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-268108</link>
		<author>EE</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-268108</guid>
		<description>I wouldn't be surprised if the download is a lower quality version of CD's on the stores shelf for the same price (if not slightly more).  This would give the impression that downloads are a worse deal to serious music fans.  They could also be trying to condition customers to once again view physical stores as THE place to purchase music.  Attempting to turn back the clock 10 years has been a goal of theirs in the past.  Either way, I won't be purchasing one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the download is a lower quality version of CD&#8217;s on the stores shelf for the same price (if not slightly more).  This would give the impression that downloads are a worse deal to serious music fans.  They could also be trying to condition customers to once again view physical stores as THE place to purchase music.  Attempting to turn back the clock 10 years has been a goal of theirs in the past.  Either way, I won&#8217;t be purchasing one.</p>
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		<title>By: Alter_Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-268078</link>
		<author>Alter_Fritz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-268078</guid>
		<description>given sony's rootkit history, I would not wonder if the physical 20$coupons are somehow impregnated with some drug lsd or something more devilish so you are to stoned when you have downloaded their stuff to copy it in anyway ;-)

I would not touch that sony shit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>given sony&#8217;s rootkit history, I would not wonder if the physical 20$coupons are somehow impregnated with some drug lsd or something more devilish so you are to stoned when you have downloaded their stuff to copy it in anyway <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would not touch that sony shit!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267918</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267918</guid>
		<description>“Most people don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?” This is like saying that most people don't know about phishing and other forms of identity theft, so why should they worry about it?

You can paint a turd gold, but its still a turd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Most people don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?” This is like saying that most people don&#8217;t know about phishing and other forms of identity theft, so why should they worry about it?</p>
<p>You can paint a turd gold, but its still a turd.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267879</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267879</guid>
		<description>All I would like to know is... who in their right mind goes to a store to buy a coupon so they can go back home and use it?!  I can understand doing it for cash customers, but to offer no method to just give them your damn money with a credit card or paypal..  It makes me what they're really up to here.

Also I'm kinda confused here, this is the first I've seen of the $20 covering all 37 albums.  According to the infoworld article at http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/07/Sony-BMG-to-sell-DRM-free-music-downloads-through-stores_1.html we're talking $12.99 for just one, yes count em one, of the 37 albums.  Nope, can't have the songs you want, gotta take the whole crap preprocessed package.

To quote the infoworld article:
"In contrast, online retailer Amazon.com offers 2.9 million DRM-free tracks in MP3 format from the catalogs of EMI Group, Warner Music Group, Universal Music and a host of independent record labels. Apple's iTunes Store has around 2 million DRM-free tracks in the AAC format supported by its iPod and many mobile phones. No store visit is necessary to download those tracks, and an album typically sells for $9.99 or less."

Also:
"Sony-BMG said it hopes its combined model, selling a download pass through a physical store, will lead to greater sales of physical and digital music.

Albums need a boost, as the number sold in the U.S. dropped again last year, even as the number of music purchases rose, market watcher Nielsen SoundScan reported last week. "

So ummmm yeah guess what?  They're just trying to lure us back into the music stores with another steaming pile of prepackaged crap so we buy the good albums that aren't on their crappy list.  I for one, am not going to bite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I would like to know is&#8230; who in their right mind goes to a store to buy a coupon so they can go back home and use it?!  I can understand doing it for cash customers, but to offer no method to just give them your damn money with a credit card or paypal..  It makes me what they&#8217;re really up to here.</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;m kinda confused here, this is the first I&#8217;ve seen of the $20 covering all 37 albums.  According to the infoworld article at <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/07/Sony-BMG-to-sell-DRM-free-music-downloads-through-stores_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/07/Sony-BMG-to-sell-DRM-free-music-downloads-through-stores_1.html</a> we&#8217;re talking $12.99 for just one, yes count em one, of the 37 albums.  Nope, can&#8217;t have the songs you want, gotta take the whole crap preprocessed package.</p>
<p>To quote the infoworld article:<br />
&#8220;In contrast, online retailer Amazon.com offers 2.9 million DRM-free tracks in MP3 format from the catalogs of EMI Group, Warner Music Group, Universal Music and a host of independent record labels. Apple&#8217;s iTunes Store has around 2 million DRM-free tracks in the AAC format supported by its iPod and many mobile phones. No store visit is necessary to download those tracks, and an album typically sells for $9.99 or less.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also:<br />
&#8220;Sony-BMG said it hopes its combined model, selling a download pass through a physical store, will lead to greater sales of physical and digital music.</p>
<p>Albums need a boost, as the number sold in the U.S. dropped again last year, even as the number of music purchases rose, market watcher Nielsen SoundScan reported last week. &#8221;</p>
<p>So ummmm yeah guess what?  They&#8217;re just trying to lure us back into the music stores with another steaming pile of prepackaged crap so we buy the good albums that aren&#8217;t on their crappy list.  I for one, am not going to bite.</p>
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		<title>By: catflap</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267858</link>
		<author>catflap</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267858</guid>
		<description>anyone who's read my articles here in the past few years will know i'm no fan of the cartels.

but for the moment i'll be the devil's advocate. ;)

it seems pretty good to pay $20 for 37 full albums without DRM or rootkits. if a physical cd costs $20 (low average), multiply that by 37 - that's $740.

and being able to get the covers or inserts included also seems to be a plus.

but i said it "seems" to be a good deal.

as the second poster above wonders, so do i:

"What sort of id is needed to purchase this so called online key to entry? Prehaps they are seeking info from those paying by credit card or debit card into areas that you would not get by payment in hard cash. Or is it you have to supply and email address to access on line?"

i don't use credit cards and only use my bank card to withdraw cash. much of my shopping is done securely online directly through my bank account.

if i have to give an email address to download the 37 albums, i can use an anonymous online email account.

but i won't give my name or address. if they "require" it, they'll get a false name and location.

yes, there are many unanswered questions. on the surface, 37 albums including booklets for $20 is something i can afford. but i can't afford giving up my privacy.

i've been known - on a few occasions - to change my mind publicly on p2pnet. if anyone has any new (positive or negative) information about the cards and the requirements of buying and using them, please let us know. i just might change my mind. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone who&#8217;s read my articles here in the past few years will know i&#8217;m no fan of the cartels.</p>
<p>but for the moment i&#8217;ll be the devil&#8217;s advocate. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>it seems pretty good to pay $20 for 37 full albums without DRM or rootkits. if a physical cd costs $20 (low average), multiply that by 37 - that&#8217;s $740.</p>
<p>and being able to get the covers or inserts included also seems to be a plus.</p>
<p>but i said it &#8220;seems&#8221; to be a good deal.</p>
<p>as the second poster above wonders, so do i:</p>
<p>&#8220;What sort of id is needed to purchase this so called online key to entry? Prehaps they are seeking info from those paying by credit card or debit card into areas that you would not get by payment in hard cash. Or is it you have to supply and email address to access on line?&#8221;</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t use credit cards and only use my bank card to withdraw cash. much of my shopping is done securely online directly through my bank account.</p>
<p>if i have to give an email address to download the 37 albums, i can use an anonymous online email account.</p>
<p>but i won&#8217;t give my name or address. if they &#8220;require&#8221; it, they&#8217;ll get a false name and location.</p>
<p>yes, there are many unanswered questions. on the surface, 37 albums including booklets for $20 is something i can afford. but i can&#8217;t afford giving up my privacy.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been known - on a few occasions - to change my mind publicly on p2pnet. if anyone has any new (positive or negative) information about the cards and the requirements of buying and using them, please let us know. i just might change my mind. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Free Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267776</link>
		<author>Free Thinker</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267776</guid>
		<description>"Honest to God. He really made that remark after Sony BMG and the other three members of the organised music cartel have been using every trick in the book to avoid doing exactly that."

Jon: yes, it's not as outlandish as it sounds. The bit you forgot to mention was that Thomas Hesse wants to "monetize" every action of copying, format shifting, viewing, whatever, that the compliant consumer of corporate product wants to do. Monetize: that greedy little word, that wants to take your rights and sell them back to you, enforced with DRM. Yes, I bet he meant that phrase quite fervently.

Thankfully, the DRM walls are crumbling... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Honest to God. He really made that remark after Sony BMG and the other three members of the organised music cartel have been using every trick in the book to avoid doing exactly that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jon: yes, it&#8217;s not as outlandish as it sounds. The bit you forgot to mention was that Thomas Hesse wants to &#8220;monetize&#8221; every action of copying, format shifting, viewing, whatever, that the compliant consumer of corporate product wants to do. Monetize: that greedy little word, that wants to take your rights and sell them back to you, enforced with DRM. Yes, I bet he meant that phrase quite fervently.</p>
<p>Thankfully, the DRM walls are crumbling&#8230; <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267757</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267757</guid>
		<description>After the rootkit affair, Sony became a dirty name in my book, not to be trusted. I would no more do business with Sony in either music, video, nor hardware they make, than I would look forward to standing on an anthill. What this corporation values is in direct opposition to what I value. As such, I will not support them now or in the future until such time as it is evident they have changed. That probably means, not in my lifetime. 

So one has to ask, why are they requiring you go to a physical store to gain access to an on-line one? What benefit is in this for them? It has to be something, otherwise it is obvious this step is designed to failure in a digital world of now. What sort of id is needed to purchase this so called online key to entry? Prehaps they are seeking info from those paying by credit card or debit card into areas that you would not get by payment in hard cash. Or is it you have to supply and email address to access on line? I have lots of questions after the previous shady deals they have shown themselves to be capable of. I can guarentee you I won't be a purchaser nor user of such. It stinks and smells to high heaven of ulterior motives that they require you to go to a physical store for a digital access.

Given Sony's past history, I don't trust them as they have already demonstrated their mindset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the rootkit affair, Sony became a dirty name in my book, not to be trusted. I would no more do business with Sony in either music, video, nor hardware they make, than I would look forward to standing on an anthill. What this corporation values is in direct opposition to what I value. As such, I will not support them now or in the future until such time as it is evident they have changed. That probably means, not in my lifetime. </p>
<p>So one has to ask, why are they requiring you go to a physical store to gain access to an on-line one? What benefit is in this for them? It has to be something, otherwise it is obvious this step is designed to failure in a digital world of now. What sort of id is needed to purchase this so called online key to entry? Prehaps they are seeking info from those paying by credit card or debit card into areas that you would not get by payment in hard cash. Or is it you have to supply and email address to access on line? I have lots of questions after the previous shady deals they have shown themselves to be capable of. I can guarentee you I won&#8217;t be a purchaser nor user of such. It stinks and smells to high heaven of ulterior motives that they require you to go to a physical store for a digital access.</p>
<p>Given Sony&#8217;s past history, I don&#8217;t trust them as they have already demonstrated their mindset.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267744</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14582#comment-267744</guid>
		<description>Really?  I don't understand why Sony thinks customers will want to buy albums at a time when the average album today consists of 2 or 3 good songs and ten fillers.  Individual song sales make more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  I don&#8217;t understand why Sony thinks customers will want to buy albums at a time when the average album today consists of 2 or 3 good songs and ten fillers.  Individual song sales make more sense.</p>
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