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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-282846</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. If everyone starts encrypting all their online activities, how happy is the government going to be that they have to spend huge amounts of time and effort (if it’s even possible) to break the encryption on every piece of data that they pull down? quote from Rekrul 

well said...... we will just get better encryption and and passkeys only when download complete ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. If everyone starts encrypting all their online activities, how happy is the government going to be that they have to spend huge amounts of time and effort (if it’s even possible) to break the encryption on every piece of data that they pull down? quote from Rekrul </p>
<p>well said&#8230;&#8230; we will just get better encryption and and passkeys only when download complete &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-282473</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Mahound, it&#039;s AT&amp;T&#039;s company/product/service. What can you do if they do this but stop using their service?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Mahound, it&#8217;s AT&amp;T&#8217;s company/product/service. What can you do if they do this but stop using their service?</p>
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		<title>By: SkyOtaku</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-282440</link>
		<dc:creator>SkyOtaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I have been doing for some time and I would recommend anyone else do is:

1.  Force encryption both in and out.
2.  Use one of the gaming ports.  Will really piss off the gamers
     (there are more of them than bittorrent users) when thier online
     games stop communicating after ISP&#039;s start blocking port traffic.
3.  Use IP blocklists.  PeerGuardian for Windows.  Azureus for Linux
     allows you to use several different types besides the one for PG
     all with auto updating.

If your bittorrent software doesn&#039;t allow encryption change to another one.  If yours does have encryption and you don&#039;t have it turned on better turn it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I have been doing for some time and I would recommend anyone else do is:</p>
<p>1.  Force encryption both in and out.<br />
2.  Use one of the gaming ports.  Will really piss off the gamers<br />
     (there are more of them than bittorrent users) when thier online<br />
     games stop communicating after ISP&#8217;s start blocking port traffic.<br />
3.  Use IP blocklists.  PeerGuardian for Windows.  Azureus for Linux<br />
     allows you to use several different types besides the one for PG<br />
     all with auto updating.</p>
<p>If your bittorrent software doesn&#8217;t allow encryption change to another one.  If yours does have encryption and you don&#8217;t have it turned on better turn it on.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-282349</link>
		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this lame brained, half assed measure is implemented by AT&amp;T, this is my prediction.

First someone in the general public will create a (or several) copyrighted works and distributes them over the internet.  Eventually, one will end up being somewhere on AT&amp;T&#039;s network that the copyright owner didn&#039;t authorize and that person will ignore the little guy (see website owner or p2p user) and sue AT&amp;T for not stopping it.  This will be repeated until AT&amp;T (or their stock holders) decides maybe giving up that immunity wasn&#039;t worth it.

I may even volunteer to start the process(maybe).  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this lame brained, half assed measure is implemented by AT&amp;T, this is my prediction.</p>
<p>First someone in the general public will create a (or several) copyrighted works and distributes them over the internet.  Eventually, one will end up being somewhere on AT&amp;T&#8217;s network that the copyright owner didn&#8217;t authorize and that person will ignore the little guy (see website owner or p2p user) and sue AT&amp;T for not stopping it.  This will be repeated until AT&amp;T (or their stock holders) decides maybe giving up that immunity wasn&#8217;t worth it.</p>
<p>I may even volunteer to start the process(maybe).  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-281935</link>
		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone else on another site brought up a couple of good points;

1. AT&amp;T will be filtering for content from the big media corporations, but what about copyrighted content from the &quot;little guy&quot;? If I write a song and it starts being traded on the P2P networks, will AT&amp;T help me filter that song? If not, then basically they&#039;re saying that it&#039;s only important to filter the content from organizations with deep pockets.

2. If everyone starts encrypting all their online activities, how happy is the government going to be that they have to spend huge amounts of time and effort (if it&#039;s even possible) to break the encryption on every piece of data that they pull down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else on another site brought up a couple of good points;</p>
<p>1. AT&amp;T will be filtering for content from the big media corporations, but what about copyrighted content from the &#8220;little guy&#8221;? If I write a song and it starts being traded on the P2P networks, will AT&amp;T help me filter that song? If not, then basically they&#8217;re saying that it&#8217;s only important to filter the content from organizations with deep pockets.</p>
<p>2. If everyone starts encrypting all their online activities, how happy is the government going to be that they have to spend huge amounts of time and effort (if it&#8217;s even possible) to break the encryption on every piece of data that they pull down?</p>
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		<title>By: Shun</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-281530</link>
		<dc:creator>Shun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD2 has the right idea.  What he&#039;s really talking about it a wireless mesh network.  The problem happens when you have someone plugged into the wired internet backbone.  Someone has to serve backhaul, unless you&#039;re all just trading files and information among yourselves.  Once someone taps into the &quot;regular&quot; internet, you may as well be on AT&amp;T&#039;s network.  Practically all international backhaul is through AT&amp;T.  If you send a packet across the &quot;regular&quot; internet, it will  hit one of AT&amp;T&#039;s servers, eventually, and be sucked into the surveillance node.

What many folks fail to understand is that AT&amp;T is already pulling down this information.  Right now, the intel agencies don&#039;t have the right to use it, except against so called &quot;enemies of the state&quot;.  Right now, the Intelligence Czar wants to push for laws which make us all enemies.

I think AT&amp;T is airing this concept of filtering out because it wants money from the record companies.  No way are subscribers going to pay to be monitored.  Most will leave in droves when that happens, so the revenue for this type of thing won&#039;t be coming from AT&amp;T customers.  That leaves music co., movie co., and the state.  Someone has to pay for this uptick in surveillance.  Just collecting the data is not enough.  There must be people or programs available which will sift through the data, looking for patterns of copyright infringement.

Also, the whole copyright infringement thing is a red herring.  Really, what AT&amp;T and the gov. are doing is creating the surveillance state.  They&#039;re using the &quot;fear&quot; of lost Hollywood profits to drive the policy.  This is the Stasi and SAVAK all over again, with fewer &quot;disappearances&quot; (although there have been a few of those, as well).

The file sharers will hit back with encrypted torrents.  In fact, encryption may become so ubiquitous that everybody is using it (hey, why should my legitimate traffic be subject to inspection if my neighbor&#039;s torrents pass right through?)  This policy will have the effect of making everybody into a criminal.  Basically, they&#039;ll just assume that because you use encryption, you are probably guilty of something.  The government will have accomplished its goal of being able to arrest anyone, at any time, for hidden or arbitrary reasons.

Fascists 1, Everybody Else 0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD2 has the right idea.  What he&#8217;s really talking about it a wireless mesh network.  The problem happens when you have someone plugged into the wired internet backbone.  Someone has to serve backhaul, unless you&#8217;re all just trading files and information among yourselves.  Once someone taps into the &#8220;regular&#8221; internet, you may as well be on AT&amp;T&#8217;s network.  Practically all international backhaul is through AT&amp;T.  If you send a packet across the &#8220;regular&#8221; internet, it will  hit one of AT&amp;T&#8217;s servers, eventually, and be sucked into the surveillance node.</p>
<p>What many folks fail to understand is that AT&amp;T is already pulling down this information.  Right now, the intel agencies don&#8217;t have the right to use it, except against so called &#8220;enemies of the state&#8221;.  Right now, the Intelligence Czar wants to push for laws which make us all enemies.</p>
<p>I think AT&amp;T is airing this concept of filtering out because it wants money from the record companies.  No way are subscribers going to pay to be monitored.  Most will leave in droves when that happens, so the revenue for this type of thing won&#8217;t be coming from AT&amp;T customers.  That leaves music co., movie co., and the state.  Someone has to pay for this uptick in surveillance.  Just collecting the data is not enough.  There must be people or programs available which will sift through the data, looking for patterns of copyright infringement.</p>
<p>Also, the whole copyright infringement thing is a red herring.  Really, what AT&amp;T and the gov. are doing is creating the surveillance state.  They&#8217;re using the &#8220;fear&#8221; of lost Hollywood profits to drive the policy.  This is the Stasi and SAVAK all over again, with fewer &#8220;disappearances&#8221; (although there have been a few of those, as well).</p>
<p>The file sharers will hit back with encrypted torrents.  In fact, encryption may become so ubiquitous that everybody is using it (hey, why should my legitimate traffic be subject to inspection if my neighbor&#8217;s torrents pass right through?)  This policy will have the effect of making everybody into a criminal.  Basically, they&#8217;ll just assume that because you use encryption, you are probably guilty of something.  The government will have accomplished its goal of being able to arrest anyone, at any time, for hidden or arbitrary reasons.</p>
<p>Fascists 1, Everybody Else 0</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-281481</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will eventually be challenged in court.Watch and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will eventually be challenged in court.Watch and see.</p>
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		<title>By: JD2</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-281302</link>
		<dc:creator>JD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking of this for a while now... create a wifi system of my own using my wireless router... everyone go to the 802.11 frequency now.   What if we all began surfing using our wireless routers - sure we would have to get better distance from them but couldnt we create our own web doing something like this?  If everyone who owns a router would unplug thier internet and begin searching for other wireless routers couldnt something come from it?  It is hard to explain what I am thinking by writing it down... but i believe it isnt that far off from happening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking of this for a while now&#8230; create a wifi system of my own using my wireless router&#8230; everyone go to the 802.11 frequency now.   What if we all began surfing using our wireless routers &#8211; sure we would have to get better distance from them but couldnt we create our own web doing something like this?  If everyone who owns a router would unplug thier internet and begin searching for other wireless routers couldnt something come from it?  It is hard to explain what I am thinking by writing it down&#8230; but i believe it isnt that far off from happening</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14687/comment-page-1#comment-281256</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well! Buy Buy Ip wired private providers! 

Welcome Anonymous Wifi Open P2P Networks! They are asking for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well! Buy Buy Ip wired private providers! </p>
<p>Welcome Anonymous Wifi Open P2P Networks! They are asking for it!</p>
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