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		<title>By: hippie</title>
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		<description>&quot; Movies don’t steal movies, people steal movies . . . &quot;

 It would be a little tougher to download movies if 
 hollywood insiders weren&#039;t the ones actually leaking them .</description>
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<p> It would be a little tougher to download movies if<br />
 hollywood insiders weren&#8217;t the ones actually leaking them .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<description>Movies don&#039;t steal movies, people steal movies . . .</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<description>Swedish Pirate Party made a pressrelease about this here: http://www.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/pressmeddelande_upphovsrattsindustrin_forfalskar_statistik
This is my translation (couldnt find any site translater from swe-eng), sorry about the spelling :( and yes its long and hard i know, but maybe its of interest.

PRESSRELEASE: Copyrightindustry makes up statistics

A pressdate was arranged today by Filmfolket, a *copyrightlobbyorganisation* for the movie industry. On the meeting a report is introduced from IFPI whose purpose is to show Sweden in a bad position compared to other countries. The information have been since long proven to be false.

-movie- and record industry behaves like a teenager that plays his parents against eatchother, but in this case its whole countries its dealing with, says Rick Falkvinge, Party leader for Piratpartiet (Swedish Pirate Party). In one country it said that they are behind all the others, in the next country they do exactly the same thing again, safe that noone checks the information with the neighbur countries. They use politicians and opinionformers trust to dismount legislation/justice security and privacy.
They are waging a distrustfull/absurd battle to twist back the clock to when the Internet didnt exist.

In the report 7 countries are counted to all have been alleged to have brought &quot;effective sanctions&quot; against filesharing in comparison to Sweden. A factcheck already on the reports first page about Finland shows the information to be fabricated. A reveal made by the Finish TV company MTV3 in the summer 2007 showed that the statistic, that is alleged to prove the legislation worked against filesharing, was false. In the opposite filesharing continue to increase in Finland even after the legislations the report is about.

PIRAATTILIITTO (Finnish Pirate Party equilent) in Finland writes among other things: http://piraattiliitto.org/uutiset/2008/01/ruotsin-ifpi-perustelee-sik-l-ist-lex-karpelaa-suomen-hyvill-kokemuksilla
(provide only link as its so long, its english at the bottom of the page)

Cont:
Similar false propaganda is also to be found in the rest of the *comparisoncountries* in the report. Almost the whole page about Denmark focuses on one single doubtfull verdict in a civil case in Köpenhamns *some kind of court(tingsrätt)* where the lobby payed its counterpart Tele2 to not appeal. In the episode about Belgium they take a plunge/fall against the supplier Scarlet Extended where a *some kind of court(tingsrätt)* saw itself to have competence to judje about what was technically possible  (witch ofcourse not becomes more techically possible just because a court thinks something). Repeated directly missguided/disproved claims about what EUs sanction directive means. And so on. In country after country the report surgicly (doctors operating lol) presents selected data and presents it as *clear/allmighty praxis?(allenarådande praxis)* in that country.

Theres also talk about Sweden loosing approximately six billion SEK(as in article about 1 billion USD) on piracy every year. That is to stretch the meaning of the word &quot;approximately&quot;: the number is completely made up. It originates from a report where it clearly distinguish/shows that they guesed from air how mutch piracy that is happening, and then multiplied it with the retailprice in the detailstore. The &quot;making up&quot; is happening in 2 steps: first the made up claim about how mutch filesharing is going on, and then they made up that for every fileshared work there was actualy a *none-happening* retail price sale.

- It is like if Ramlösa (bottled well water company) would go to the politicians and say they were loosing 111.6 billion every year because of crane water (house hold water?) in Sweden, says Falkvinge. Backed up with colorfull grafs of how many job oppertuneties and taxprofits that could have been created on Ramlösa if only the politicians &quot;dealt with the problem&quot;. The difference is that this industry lobby dont know shame in one single bone of their boddies, and does exactly that.

It is also not hard to find countries where Sweden instead lifts forward as a example country in the struggle against new technology and pirates of the same lobby organisation, to outplay that countrys specific politicians. Spain is sutch an example. the Renfors investigation (Spanish link: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internet/Suecia/estudia/bloquear/P2P/vulneren/derechos/autor/elpeputec/20070911elpepunet_5/Tes ), that met huge critisism from all *instances* and that has also been an igniting sparc for a lively debate, has there been recieved and accepted with open arms by the Swedes in a purpose to get Spannish authoreties to implement similar actions. 

- Finaly we want to remind the politicians that this so called &quot;pirateproblem&quot; can vote every one of them out of the *congress*, witch this shameless lobby can not, ends Falkvinge. It is not some arrogant kids we are talking about. It is over a million voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swedish Pirate Party made a pressrelease about this here: <a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/pressmeddelande_upphovsrattsindustrin_forfalskar_statistik" rel="nofollow">http://www.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/pressmeddelande_upphovsrattsindustrin_forfalskar_statistik</a><br />
This is my translation (couldnt find any site translater from swe-eng), sorry about the spelling <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  and yes its long and hard i know, but maybe its of interest.</p>
<p>PRESSRELEASE: Copyrightindustry makes up statistics</p>
<p>A pressdate was arranged today by Filmfolket, a *copyrightlobbyorganisation* for the movie industry. On the meeting a report is introduced from IFPI whose purpose is to show Sweden in a bad position compared to other countries. The information have been since long proven to be false.</p>
<p>-movie- and record industry behaves like a teenager that plays his parents against eatchother, but in this case its whole countries its dealing with, says Rick Falkvinge, Party leader for Piratpartiet (Swedish Pirate Party). In one country it said that they are behind all the others, in the next country they do exactly the same thing again, safe that noone checks the information with the neighbur countries. They use politicians and opinionformers trust to dismount legislation/justice security and privacy.<br />
They are waging a distrustfull/absurd battle to twist back the clock to when the Internet didnt exist.</p>
<p>In the report 7 countries are counted to all have been alleged to have brought &#8220;effective sanctions&#8221; against filesharing in comparison to Sweden. A factcheck already on the reports first page about Finland shows the information to be fabricated. A reveal made by the Finish TV company MTV3 in the summer 2007 showed that the statistic, that is alleged to prove the legislation worked against filesharing, was false. In the opposite filesharing continue to increase in Finland even after the legislations the report is about.</p>
<p>PIRAATTILIITTO (Finnish Pirate Party equilent) in Finland writes among other things: <a href="http://piraattiliitto.org/uutiset/2008/01/ruotsin-ifpi-perustelee-sik-l-ist-lex-karpelaa-suomen-hyvill-kokemuksilla" rel="nofollow">http://piraattiliitto.org/uutiset/2008/01/ruotsin-ifpi-perustelee-sik-l-ist-lex-karpelaa-suomen-hyvill-kokemuksilla</a><br />
(provide only link as its so long, its english at the bottom of the page)</p>
<p>Cont:<br />
Similar false propaganda is also to be found in the rest of the *comparisoncountries* in the report. Almost the whole page about Denmark focuses on one single doubtfull verdict in a civil case in Köpenhamns *some kind of court(tingsrätt)* where the lobby payed its counterpart Tele2 to not appeal. In the episode about Belgium they take a plunge/fall against the supplier Scarlet Extended where a *some kind of court(tingsrätt)* saw itself to have competence to judje about what was technically possible  (witch ofcourse not becomes more techically possible just because a court thinks something). Repeated directly missguided/disproved claims about what EUs sanction directive means. And so on. In country after country the report surgicly (doctors operating lol) presents selected data and presents it as *clear/allmighty praxis?(allenarådande praxis)* in that country.</p>
<p>Theres also talk about Sweden loosing approximately six billion SEK(as in article about 1 billion USD) on piracy every year. That is to stretch the meaning of the word &#8220;approximately&#8221;: the number is completely made up. It originates from a report where it clearly distinguish/shows that they guesed from air how mutch piracy that is happening, and then multiplied it with the retailprice in the detailstore. The &#8220;making up&#8221; is happening in 2 steps: first the made up claim about how mutch filesharing is going on, and then they made up that for every fileshared work there was actualy a *none-happening* retail price sale.</p>
<p>- It is like if Ramlösa (bottled well water company) would go to the politicians and say they were loosing 111.6 billion every year because of crane water (house hold water?) in Sweden, says Falkvinge. Backed up with colorfull grafs of how many job oppertuneties and taxprofits that could have been created on Ramlösa if only the politicians &#8220;dealt with the problem&#8221;. The difference is that this industry lobby dont know shame in one single bone of their boddies, and does exactly that.</p>
<p>It is also not hard to find countries where Sweden instead lifts forward as a example country in the struggle against new technology and pirates of the same lobby organisation, to outplay that countrys specific politicians. Spain is sutch an example. the Renfors investigation (Spanish link: <a href="http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internet/Suecia/estudia/bloquear/P2P/vulneren/derechos/autor/elpeputec/20070911elpepunet_5/Tes" rel="nofollow">http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internet/Suecia/estudia/bloquear/P2P/vulneren/derechos/autor/elpeputec/20070911elpepunet_5/Tes</a> ), that met huge critisism from all *instances* and that has also been an igniting sparc for a lively debate, has there been recieved and accepted with open arms by the Swedes in a purpose to get Spannish authoreties to implement similar actions. </p>
<p>- Finaly we want to remind the politicians that this so called &#8220;pirateproblem&#8221; can vote every one of them out of the *congress*, witch this shameless lobby can not, ends Falkvinge. It is not some arrogant kids we are talking about. It is over a million voters.</p>
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