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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-295461</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a book by a Russian professor Alexander Dolgin

&quot;Symbolic exchange economics&quot;
http://www.artpragmatica.ru/en/book/

This book will likely be interesting to you if:
- You use the &quot;mute&quot; button when there are commercials running on TV, and you want to learn about TiVo to avoid this routine operation
- It seems strange to you, that many artistic works (films, music) are sold with the same price without regard to quality, and you want to know why;
- you want to know how brands work in different areas, including showbiz, movies and fashion
- you visit the sales of clothing items and want to understand the internal logic of discounts
- you are amused by the case from the copyright practice, when a filesharing service Napster, convicted for distribution of third-party music, sued a nameless T-shirt distributor who did not pay Napster for using its name
- you want to know about the benefits the ticket resellers and speculators bring
 This book is about culture of the digital century. Important topic of the book - how the culture functions in the market conditions, which role does the money play it it and how to make it so, that it benefits the consumer

Unfortunately, the book is only in Russian, they only posted the introduction in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a book by a Russian professor Alexander Dolgin</p>
<p>&#8220;Symbolic exchange economics&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.artpragmatica.ru/en/book/" rel="nofollow">http://www.artpragmatica.ru/en/book/</a></p>
<p>This book will likely be interesting to you if:<br />
- You use the &#8220;mute&#8221; button when there are commercials running on TV, and you want to learn about TiVo to avoid this routine operation<br />
- It seems strange to you, that many artistic works (films, music) are sold with the same price without regard to quality, and you want to know why;<br />
- you want to know how brands work in different areas, including showbiz, movies and fashion<br />
- you visit the sales of clothing items and want to understand the internal logic of discounts<br />
- you are amused by the case from the copyright practice, when a filesharing service Napster, convicted for distribution of third-party music, sued a nameless T-shirt distributor who did not pay Napster for using its name<br />
- you want to know about the benefits the ticket resellers and speculators bring<br />
 This book is about culture of the digital century. Important topic of the book &#8211; how the culture functions in the market conditions, which role does the money play it it and how to make it so, that it benefits the consumer</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the book is only in Russian, they only posted the introduction in English.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294626</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feed the trolls Dreddsnik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feed the trolls Dreddsnik</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294481</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; maybe thatâs his honest opinion &quot;

 That&#039;s possible, but not likely.
 If you read through wyly&#039;s rant, you&#039;ll notice that he&#039;s careful to
 state every industry cliche, nearly verbatim, while at the same
 time extolling the virtues of corporate sponsored product.
 And yet, it still reads pretty well.

 You&#039;ll notice that a lot of care has also been put into making it LOOK
 like a random rant of a &#039;concerned&#039; regular joe ( lack of paragraphs, 
 improper punctuation etc .. ).

 This is carefully crafted.

 It is someone paid to troll P2P boards.

 It&#039;s a very similar technique to Sony&#039;s use of PR people to pose as 
 &#039;Fan&#039;s&#039; on fansites for promotional purposes.
 Similar to Labels putting signed acts on YouTube who pretend to be just
 plain &#039;ol jane to virally build an audience.

 So far I have found not one intelligent thoughtful person that supports the corporate
 position that doesn&#039;t get financial benefit from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; maybe thatâs his honest opinion &#8221;</p>
<p> That&#8217;s possible, but not likely.<br />
 If you read through wyly&#8217;s rant, you&#8217;ll notice that he&#8217;s careful to<br />
 state every industry cliche, nearly verbatim, while at the same<br />
 time extolling the virtues of corporate sponsored product.<br />
 And yet, it still reads pretty well.</p>
<p> You&#8217;ll notice that a lot of care has also been put into making it LOOK<br />
 like a random rant of a &#8216;concerned&#8217; regular joe ( lack of paragraphs,<br />
 improper punctuation etc .. ).</p>
<p> This is carefully crafted.</p>
<p> It is someone paid to troll P2P boards.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s a very similar technique to Sony&#8217;s use of PR people to pose as<br />
 &#8216;Fan&#8217;s&#8217; on fansites for promotional purposes.<br />
 Similar to Labels putting signed acts on YouTube who pretend to be just<br />
 plain &#8216;ol jane to virally build an audience.</p>
<p> So far I have found not one intelligent thoughtful person that supports the corporate<br />
 position that doesn&#8217;t get financial benefit from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294425</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are their own worse enemy. They have managed to downturn music in a big way by the way it is run. I don&#039;t know if you can remember the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s and the way new albums were held in reverance for the first day it was sold. A big name band would have people camping out overnight, just to be the first to have the new album. 

Until the days of The Beatles, almost all sales were a single with a B side, more normally referred to the 45 or the 78 before it. The Beatles were the first to make an album so interesting musically as to have people want it all. So albums became the way music was sold. It allowed the artist a longer time to develop a music theme. This went great till the days of the filler. 

It was not uncommon for Top Billboard hits to stay in the top 10 for 1/2 a year. But poor quality and the rip off ruined it. Now-a-days no one but no one trusts that an album will be consistantly interesting throughout. Instead it is common to expect one, maybe two good songs and the rest is trash. 

This has nothing to do with file sharing. What it has to do with is high prices for low quality and that is where the sales problem in part lies. 

No one can fix this but the big labels. The big labels have gotten greedy and had a meal of the golden goose. It&#039;s gone bubba, it ain&#039;t coming back. That&#039;s why the digital is doing as well as it is. Basically, it&#039;s a single; no trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are their own worse enemy. They have managed to downturn music in a big way by the way it is run. I don&#8217;t know if you can remember the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s and the way new albums were held in reverance for the first day it was sold. A big name band would have people camping out overnight, just to be the first to have the new album. </p>
<p>Until the days of The Beatles, almost all sales were a single with a B side, more normally referred to the 45 or the 78 before it. The Beatles were the first to make an album so interesting musically as to have people want it all. So albums became the way music was sold. It allowed the artist a longer time to develop a music theme. This went great till the days of the filler. </p>
<p>It was not uncommon for Top Billboard hits to stay in the top 10 for 1/2 a year. But poor quality and the rip off ruined it. Now-a-days no one but no one trusts that an album will be consistantly interesting throughout. Instead it is common to expect one, maybe two good songs and the rest is trash. </p>
<p>This has nothing to do with file sharing. What it has to do with is high prices for low quality and that is where the sales problem in part lies. </p>
<p>No one can fix this but the big labels. The big labels have gotten greedy and had a meal of the golden goose. It&#8217;s gone bubba, it ain&#8217;t coming back. That&#8217;s why the digital is doing as well as it is. Basically, it&#8217;s a single; no trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294338</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has the right to be morally bankrupt and completely wrong.  Even so, I think I&#039;ll continue to boycott the RIAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has the right to be morally bankrupt and completely wrong.  Even so, I think I&#8217;ll continue to boycott the RIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294167</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe that&#039;s his honest opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe that&#8217;s his honest opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294136</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Itâs the file stealers who should be slammed into jail. Levy may be a corporate suit but his company owns the intellectual property. &quot;

 Yup. that&#039;s true.
 So when are they going to admit in mainstream media to everyone
 that the lawsuits have nothing whatsoever to do with the artists ?

 &quot; Nobody held a gun to the artists head when they negotiated their deals with the record labels &quot;

 There was a time when the labels were in fact the only way to be heard outside of your 
 garage. The only way to get national exposure.
 This is really why they continually try to criminalize P2P.

 now anyone can be heard .. anywhere .. anytime.

 The cartels need to sue all non owned p2p developers out of existence, so that they 
 are once again the &#039;gatekeepers&#039;.

 &quot; if it is copyrighted, you are a thief. &quot;

 Really ?
 Creative Commons is a Copyright.
 Nearly all creative commons artists WANT you to hear them .. free.
 Of course, once the RIAA locks down all P2P access, you wont anymore, nice eh ?


 &quot; you are a thief. &quot;

 Ummm, no your not.
 No one has been deprived of the use or benefits of any physical property.
 If it was theft, they damn sure would call it that in court.
 They can&#039;t , so they don&#039;t , because it ain&#039;t.

 &quot; Itâs almost free and the quality and experience are better than stealing. Grow up. &quot;

 Fully grown. That&#039;s why I boycott.
 I&#039;ve made up my mind from the available facts, not the fictions .. the PROVEN fictions

  http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14753 ( Hollywood lies about download stats )

 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14553 ( RIAA LIES at Jammie thomas trial )

 of the industry.

 How dumb do you have to be to continue to believe a proven liar ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Itâs the file stealers who should be slammed into jail. Levy may be a corporate suit but his company owns the intellectual property. &#8221;</p>
<p> Yup. that&#8217;s true.<br />
 So when are they going to admit in mainstream media to everyone<br />
 that the lawsuits have nothing whatsoever to do with the artists ?</p>
<p> &#8221; Nobody held a gun to the artists head when they negotiated their deals with the record labels &#8221;</p>
<p> There was a time when the labels were in fact the only way to be heard outside of your<br />
 garage. The only way to get national exposure.<br />
 This is really why they continually try to criminalize P2P.</p>
<p> now anyone can be heard .. anywhere .. anytime.</p>
<p> The cartels need to sue all non owned p2p developers out of existence, so that they<br />
 are once again the &#8216;gatekeepers&#8217;.</p>
<p> &#8221; if it is copyrighted, you are a thief. &#8221;</p>
<p> Really ?<br />
 Creative Commons is a Copyright.<br />
 Nearly all creative commons artists WANT you to hear them .. free.<br />
 Of course, once the RIAA locks down all P2P access, you wont anymore, nice eh ?</p>
<p> &#8221; you are a thief. &#8221;</p>
<p> Ummm, no your not.<br />
 No one has been deprived of the use or benefits of any physical property.<br />
 If it was theft, they damn sure would call it that in court.<br />
 They can&#8217;t , so they don&#8217;t , because it ain&#8217;t.</p>
<p> &#8221; Itâs almost free and the quality and experience are better than stealing. Grow up. &#8221;</p>
<p> Fully grown. That&#8217;s why I boycott.<br />
 I&#8217;ve made up my mind from the available facts, not the fictions .. the PROVEN fictions</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14753" rel="nofollow">http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14753</a> ( Hollywood lies about download stats )</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14553" rel="nofollow">http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14553</a> ( RIAA LIES at Jammie thomas trial )</p>
<p> of the industry.</p>
<p> How dumb do you have to be to continue to believe a proven liar ?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294105</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll.</p>
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		<title>By: wyly</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-294012</link>
		<dc:creator>wyly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the file stealers who should be slammed into jail.  Levy may be a corporate suit but his company owns the intellectual property.  Nobody held a gun to the artists head when they negotiated their deals with the record labels.  If anyone is at fault it is the artists&#039; attorneys.  The record labels, the publishing companies and sometimes the artists directly own the intellectual property rights to the music.  If you don&#039;t pay for those rights when you use the music, if it is copyrighted, you are a thief.  Stop whining.  Get a subscription to Napster.  It&#039;s almost free and the quality and experience are better than stealing.  Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the file stealers who should be slammed into jail.  Levy may be a corporate suit but his company owns the intellectual property.  Nobody held a gun to the artists head when they negotiated their deals with the record labels.  If anyone is at fault it is the artists&#8217; attorneys.  The record labels, the publishing companies and sometimes the artists directly own the intellectual property rights to the music.  If you don&#8217;t pay for those rights when you use the music, if it is copyrighted, you are a thief.  Stop whining.  Get a subscription to Napster.  It&#8217;s almost free and the quality and experience are better than stealing.  Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-293960</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laugh every time I read someone wants me to join a BOYCOTT. Forget that noise . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laugh every time I read someone wants me to join a BOYCOTT. Forget that noise . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-293942</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that this piece of Shit of Levy is  the main instigator of the customer extortion conspiracy This levy deserve nothing less than beeing slamed into a jail before we throw the key away. 

Meanwhile and until we can achieve this goal, we should sue this parasite to recover all the stolen money from artists and fan with interest and attorney fee. 

Let put this bastard out of Business!

Meanwhile continue the BOYCOTT they are melting melting melting. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that this piece of Shit of Levy is  the main instigator of the customer extortion conspiracy This levy deserve nothing less than beeing slamed into a jail before we throw the key away. </p>
<p>Meanwhile and until we can achieve this goal, we should sue this parasite to recover all the stolen money from artists and fan with interest and attorney fee. </p>
<p>Let put this bastard out of Business!</p>
<p>Meanwhile continue the BOYCOTT they are melting melting melting. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14789/comment-page-1#comment-293923</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect big things from Midem 2008! Tomorrow will be a history marked day in digital music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expect big things from Midem 2008! Tomorrow will be a history marked day in digital music.</p>
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