Thank you.

” I don’t know. Logic would be volume would make up for low price and the casual P2p’er might be willing to pay 2.50 – 3.00 for a complete album instead of 9.99 ”

Precisely.

” I still fell ad supported is a vialble alternative to those who won’t/can’t pay. ”

And it may surprise you to learn that I agree with you completly on this ..
as an ALTERNATIVE.

The problem is that the labels don’t want models like this as an alternative, they want
it to be the ONLY way to go, with DRM and high prices.
Both systems CAN coexist and prosper, the past success of the systems they sued out of
existence is proof.

Thank you for civil intelligent discussion.

>>>Yes!

2. Why will the labels themselves avoid using a proven, wildly successful model.

I don’t know. Logic would be volume would make up for low price and the casual P2p’er might be willing to pay 2.50 – 3.00 for a complete album instead of 9.99

I still fell ad supported is a vialble alternative to those who won’t/can’t pay.
For a song or band I have never heard of why not look at an ad and then hear the whole song
rather than buy it no matter how cheap if I end up not wanting it? save my money to buy stuff i want and like and want to keep!

Answer the question.
It really is a yes or no question

They would rather have a trickle a 99, than a flood at 12.
kind of stupid IMHO

Ok,
still avoiding the issue.
Let me be more specific.

Doesn’t the incredible financial success of the allofmp3 model prove that people will in
fact pay a fair price ( at approx 4mb for a 128k tune @ .03 per mb .12 cents is really
cheap ) to be legal and compete effectively with free ??

” For those who CAN’t afford to pay or are to young to have a credit card or paypal account ect. ad supported free is a good alternative. ”

There will always be those who won’t pay, for a LOT of different reasons.
You are trying to use their ‘download equals lost sale’ doctrine .. again ..
which simply is not true.

No matter what model is in place, some will never pay, and no one can make them.

The question is simple, and has nothing to do with ad supported blather rimita roh.

Simple and in two parts ..

1. Doesn’t the incredible financial success of the allofmp3 model prove that people will in
fact pay a fair price ( at approx 4mb for a 128k tune @ .03 per mb .12 cents is really
cheap ) to be legal and compete effectively with free ??

2. Why will the labels themselves avoid using a proven, wildly successful model.

Answer the question.
It really is a yes or no question

If people can AFFORD to pay for what they want instead of adsupported free most would PAY, I think. For those who CAN’t afford to pay or are to young to have a credit card or paypal account ect. ad supported free is a good alternative.

now that’s just funny.
whats next ?
P2P = funding the terrorists ?
P2P = haven for kiddie porn ?

C’mon .. let’s leave the unsupported bull crap out of this.
until that sentence, it was actually looking like a mature productive debate.

Good, we got that out of you, I am not going to debate the legality, it was legal in
russia, since they paid to russian collectives.

” do buisness with the russian mafia? not big on that. ”

Huh ?
Doing business with an american mafia is better I suppose.
I’d love to see the sources that back up that accusation.

So you agree it was successful .. now the other part you refuse to address ,,

Doesn’t this PROVE that customer will pay if they are supplied with what they want,
instead of going with the ‘free’ option. ??

You’re really going out of your way to avoid answering this.

Nor should you.
If the market were really in control and not a colluding cartel of labels, competition
might create other lower prices.

I must admit, i’m also pretty interested in why you won’t
directly address the proof of success shown by the all of mp3 model.
It certainly was cheap enough and obviously worked very well against
the free competition. It’s really wierd how you ignor the successful model.

You’re still refusing to answer this , and I wonder why …

” ” dirt cheap mp3’s and no DRM ”
Enough CUSTOMERS wanted it to spend 30 million dollars in one year,
PROVING that it is possible to compete with free.

Doesn’t this PROVE that customer will pay if they are supplied with what they want,
instead of going with the ‘free’ option. ??

Why not answer this directly ??

I would ultimately prefer an opt in ISP tax to download with a P2P client in the MP3 format
unlimited music and have them scrap the blank media levy.

” dirt cheap mp3’s and no DRM ”
Enough CUSTOMERS wanted it to spend 30 million dollars in one year,
PROVING that it is possible to compete with free.

It PROVES that customer will pay if they are supplied with what they want,
instead of going with the ‘free’ option.

Can you admit that as well ?
You don’t seem to want to directly address this .

When I am short on money ad supported subscriptions are nice to have as a back up.

Can you admit that as well ?

” that’s more unlilely than qtrax. ”
And that’s a shame, and all because of the labels greed.
Not because it won’t make money.

I went to this article

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14184

for this example. Mind you this is downloads for a WEEK.

Fergie .. Big Girls Don’t Cry … 2,247,427 downloads
Downloaded for free.
Bad.

Lets use the all of MP3 model at approx .03 per meg of data.
An average 4 minute 128k tune is approx 4 mb i am just going to apply that to
the fergie tune ( might be a little more or less ).

8,989,708 mb downloaded times 3 cents per mb

$ 269,691.24 for one WEEK for one song.

A part of this depending on the deal goes to the label.
per week.

People WANT DRM free and convenience and WILL pay for it.
They DID pay for it.

Why wasn’t it good enough ?

In 2006 It is estimated that AllofMp3 took in 30 million us dollars.
People PAID hand over fist for DRM free product.
Part of that revenue was paid as required by russian law to their
artists collective society so the artists could be paid.

Essentially competing very well with free.

Had a mechanism in place to pay artists.

Why do you not address this viable, PROVEN, model which not only gets the
artists paid, but gives the CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT ?

DRM free tracks they can do exactly what they wish with ?

wow