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		<title>By: Chris Alpiar</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-301773</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Alpiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Paul McGuinness really is saying is a voice for all of the artists out there, not a greedy money grubber. 

As a professional composer and performer who isnt in the top 1% of success and MTV rock monsters I am THRILLED that someone with clout is making these issues be vocalized. Its not the U2s and the Mettalicas that suffer, its the indie artists, score composers, and working musicians that are being destroyed by the wide open not even attempted at regulating illegal downloading of all kinds of media, including music, song &amp; albums, films, art, scores, etc

Thank you Mr. McGuinness for bothering to talk about the issues that are a nuisance to you but are life threatening to thousands of us!

I also was a dot com boom programmer and I was an original pre-IPO member of InfoSpace and I understand the tech side very much. I will say that what happened is a natural evolution of technology and human nature. Clicking on files and getting that intellectual property of another person was SO EASY and since it was just digital it felt to have to real value. But we all listened to those MP3s and watched those quicktime movies. And we LOVED the fact that we could stuff a 200 gig firewire drive to the brim with all the music we ever wanted to listen to and not pay a dime. If you didnt do it on some level you are probably either a priest or someone without internet

And so Mr McGuinness is saying lets not blame individuals and human nature, but something MUST be done about this and soon before we lose many facets of modern art and culture to the destabilizing and deflation of its economy.

Its no joke and its not like yea yea whatever, its like EMERGENCY *DINGDINGDING* EMERGENCY. Right now the AFM (musicians union) performance fund (which is the fun for retirement and emergency funding for professional musicians) is about to die, because it is based on CD sales. There are *countless* programs similar to this that are dead or dying quickly because of illegal downloads.

Certainly non-&quot;mainstream pop&quot; art forms like non-synthesizer orchestral film music, among many others are going to become extinct and then fade away completely the farther this goes without being checked.

There absolutely needs to be legislation that forces ISPs and tech companies to create technology to stop non-paid-for illegal downloading of music, film and art. This would be relatively very easy to create. All it needs is ubiquitous agreement and cooperation from all sources that host and transmit data.

Without it our world is going to become a shallow grey world without culture and professional art. That is a place I don&#039;t want to live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Paul McGuinness really is saying is a voice for all of the artists out there, not a greedy money grubber. </p>
<p>As a professional composer and performer who isnt in the top 1% of success and MTV rock monsters I am THRILLED that someone with clout is making these issues be vocalized. Its not the U2s and the Mettalicas that suffer, its the indie artists, score composers, and working musicians that are being destroyed by the wide open not even attempted at regulating illegal downloading of all kinds of media, including music, song &amp; albums, films, art, scores, etc</p>
<p>Thank you Mr. McGuinness for bothering to talk about the issues that are a nuisance to you but are life threatening to thousands of us!</p>
<p>I also was a dot com boom programmer and I was an original pre-IPO member of InfoSpace and I understand the tech side very much. I will say that what happened is a natural evolution of technology and human nature. Clicking on files and getting that intellectual property of another person was SO EASY and since it was just digital it felt to have to real value. But we all listened to those MP3s and watched those quicktime movies. And we LOVED the fact that we could stuff a 200 gig firewire drive to the brim with all the music we ever wanted to listen to and not pay a dime. If you didnt do it on some level you are probably either a priest or someone without internet</p>
<p>And so Mr McGuinness is saying lets not blame individuals and human nature, but something MUST be done about this and soon before we lose many facets of modern art and culture to the destabilizing and deflation of its economy.</p>
<p>Its no joke and its not like yea yea whatever, its like EMERGENCY *DINGDINGDING* EMERGENCY. Right now the AFM (musicians union) performance fund (which is the fun for retirement and emergency funding for professional musicians) is about to die, because it is based on CD sales. There are *countless* programs similar to this that are dead or dying quickly because of illegal downloads.</p>
<p>Certainly non-&#8221;mainstream pop&#8221; art forms like non-synthesizer orchestral film music, among many others are going to become extinct and then fade away completely the farther this goes without being checked.</p>
<p>There absolutely needs to be legislation that forces ISPs and tech companies to create technology to stop non-paid-for illegal downloading of music, film and art. This would be relatively very easy to create. All it needs is ubiquitous agreement and cooperation from all sources that host and transmit data.</p>
<p>Without it our world is going to become a shallow grey world without culture and professional art. That is a place I don&#8217;t want to live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-300473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7163

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7163" rel="nofollow">http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7163</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-300403</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, apparantly U2 did move assests out of Irland cause they werre going to have to pay taxes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nbono08.xml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, apparantly U2 did move assests out of Irland cause they werre going to have to pay taxes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nbono08.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nbono08.xml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-300401</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t I read somewhere tht U2 moved it base of operations once they were expected to start paying taxes? 

Also if the mp3 player makers are going to &#039;share&#039; the proceeds shouldn&#039;t the &#039;content creators&#039; also share the proceeds with mp3 player makers, and computer makers?

Oh right it&#039;s all about whats flowing into their own pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t I read somewhere tht U2 moved it base of operations once they were expected to start paying taxes? </p>
<p>Also if the mp3 player makers are going to &#8217;share&#8217; the proceeds shouldn&#8217;t the &#8216;content creators&#8217; also share the proceeds with mp3 player makers, and computer makers?</p>
<p>Oh right it&#8217;s all about whats flowing into their own pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-298455</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just confirms that U2 has now joined the ranks of Metallica and others
of their ilk. Though I&#039;m sure many already knew that even before this rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just confirms that U2 has now joined the ranks of Metallica and others<br />
of their ilk. Though I&#8217;m sure many already knew that even before this rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ripped Oftly</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-298207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ripped Oftly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to be a rock star, but U2 stormed into the studio and stole all the money put aside for my sandwiches. I can&#039;t perform without snacks!

As for that asshole singer come knob end, Bono: 

Some people put their money where their mouth is, others, particularly those suffering a late mid-life crisis brought on by too much coke and shrivelling panty contents, constantly put their nonsense mouths predominantly where the money is.

U2 have always sucked.
At least I have the consolation of knowing that I should live long enough to see Bono&#039;s death on the news, hopefully through a rare form of self strangulation caused by an overdose of verbal diarrhoea reacting with sunglasses light impairment syndrome. &quot;I&#039;m so Coool, cough, unnngh, for the childrennnnnh, save the plannnetshh, my private jett nnnn, feed the wornnnunngh, tonight thank goddnnn it&#039;s themmm instead of.. thud.&quot;

All imho, of course. 
Ya godda larf ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to be a rock star, but U2 stormed into the studio and stole all the money put aside for my sandwiches. I can&#8217;t perform without snacks!</p>
<p>As for that asshole singer come knob end, Bono: </p>
<p>Some people put their money where their mouth is, others, particularly those suffering a late mid-life crisis brought on by too much coke and shrivelling panty contents, constantly put their nonsense mouths predominantly where the money is.</p>
<p>U2 have always sucked.<br />
At least I have the consolation of knowing that I should live long enough to see Bono&#8217;s death on the news, hopefully through a rare form of self strangulation caused by an overdose of verbal diarrhoea reacting with sunglasses light impairment syndrome. &#8220;I&#8217;m so Coool, cough, unnngh, for the childrennnnnh, save the plannnetshh, my private jett nnnn, feed the wornnnunngh, tonight thank goddnnn it&#8217;s themmm instead of.. thud.&#8221;</p>
<p>All imho, of course.<br />
Ya godda larf <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-298163</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGuinness said it was time for artists to stand up against what he called the “shoddy, careless and downright dishonest way they have been treated in the digital age,” 

YEA! LEAVE THE FRACKIN LABELS WHO FAILED TO ADAPT!!

&quot;They should share their ingenuity as well as the money&quot; LOL WTF &gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGuinness said it was time for artists to stand up against what he called the “shoddy, careless and downright dishonest way they have been treated in the digital age,” </p>
<p>YEA! LEAVE THE FRACKIN LABELS WHO FAILED TO ADAPT!!</p>
<p>&#8220;They should share their ingenuity as well as the money&#8221; LOL WTF &gt;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-298119</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul McGuinness is an infamous pirates riding a U2 submarine that he downlaoded illegaly on internet 
with hids friends. 

All the Navy in the word are after him now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul McGuinness is an infamous pirates riding a U2 submarine that he downlaoded illegaly on internet<br />
with hids friends. </p>
<p>All the Navy in the word are after him now!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-298114</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A u2? Is it not a world war II German submarine? 

What ? Someone copied an old Gernan submarine on internet illegally?

And the old bag of shit on the picture, is he the captain? He look nasty! 

Let Drop the death charges Bro! 

Hopefully this will kill a lot of  RIAA/MPAA sharks as possible at the same time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A u2? Is it not a world war II German submarine? </p>
<p>What ? Someone copied an old Gernan submarine on internet illegally?</p>
<p>And the old bag of shit on the picture, is he the captain? He look nasty! </p>
<p>Let Drop the death charges Bro! </p>
<p>Hopefully this will kill a lot of  RIAA/MPAA sharks as possible at the same time!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297736</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you were a magazine advertising stolen cars, handling the money for stolen cars and seeing to the delivery of stolen cars, the police would soon be at your door. That’s no different to an ISP, but they say they can’t do anything about it. If you steal a laptop from a store or don’t pay for your broadband service, you’ll soon be cut off and nicked.&quot;

Technically it would be a copied car.  The original would be right where it was no worse for the wear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you were a magazine advertising stolen cars, handling the money for stolen cars and seeing to the delivery of stolen cars, the police would soon be at your door. That’s no different to an ISP, but they say they can’t do anything about it. If you steal a laptop from a store or don’t pay for your broadband service, you’ll soon be cut off and nicked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically it would be a copied car.  The original would be right where it was no worse for the wear.</p>
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		<title>By: richmond</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297717</link>
		<dc:creator>richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enormous revenue? arn&#039;t the record labels being &quot;killed by piracy&quot;  or are there previous comments not valid in this conversation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enormous revenue? arn&#8217;t the record labels being &#8220;killed by piracy&#8221;  or are there previous comments not valid in this conversation?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^  &quot;Die Linie U2 beginnt am ......&quot;

&quot;The line U2 begins on S + U Pankow, runs through the centre of the eastern Alexanderplatz on Potsdamer Platz to Western Centre (Wittenberg Platz, Bahnhof Zoo), and continue the terminus Ruhleben.

&quot;The line has 29 stations, is 20.7 km long and, along the lines U1, U3 and U4 to before 1914 subnet opened the Berlin subway. However, the section of Pankow - Vinetastraße only in September 2000.&quot;

Good one, A_F ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^  &#8220;Die Linie U2 beginnt am &#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The line U2 begins on S + U Pankow, runs through the centre of the eastern Alexanderplatz on Potsdamer Platz to Western Centre (Wittenberg Platz, Bahnhof Zoo), and continue the terminus Ruhleben.</p>
<p>&#8220;The line has 29 stations, is 20.7 km long and, along the lines U1, U3 and U4 to before 1914 subnet opened the Berlin subway. However, the section of Pankow &#8211; Vinetastraße only in September 2000.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good one, A_F <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297564</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ LMAO that comment made my day! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ LMAO that comment made my day! <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alter_Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297548</link>
		<dc:creator>Alter_Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What the hell is a U2???????&quot;

Die Linie U2 beginnt am S+U-Bahnhof Pankow, fährt durch das östliche Zentrum mit dem Alexanderplatz über den Potsdamer Platz zum westlichen Zentrum (Wittenbergplatz, Bahnhof Zoo) und weiter zur Endstation Ruhleben.

Die Linie hat 29 Stationen, ist 20,7 km lang und gehört wie die Linien U1, U3 und U4 zum vor 1914 eröffneten Teilnetz der Berliner U-Bahn. Allerdings wurde der Abschnitt Pankow - Vinetastraße erst im September 2000 eröffnet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What the hell is a U2???????&#8221;</p>
<p>Die Linie U2 beginnt am S+U-Bahnhof Pankow, fährt durch das östliche Zentrum mit dem Alexanderplatz über den Potsdamer Platz zum westlichen Zentrum (Wittenbergplatz, Bahnhof Zoo) und weiter zur Endstation Ruhleben.</p>
<p>Die Linie hat 29 Stationen, ist 20,7 km lang und gehört wie die Linien U1, U3 und U4 zum vor 1914 eröffneten Teilnetz der Berliner U-Bahn. Allerdings wurde der Abschnitt Pankow &#8211; Vinetastraße erst im September 2000 eröffnet.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297493</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell is a U2???????
Is it a washed up has been band that my parents listen too???
Or is it another RIAA flagship band gone crazy for blood in a sue everyone on earth campain??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is a U2???????<br />
Is it a washed up has been band that my parents listen too???<br />
Or is it another RIAA flagship band gone crazy for blood in a sue everyone on earth campain??</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297483</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Metallica and Lars Ulrich?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Metallica and Lars Ulrich?</p>
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		<title>By: Dazed and Confused</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14815/comment-page-1#comment-297415</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazed and Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has quite a snout himself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has quite a snout himself</p>
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