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	<title>Comments on: The Pirate Bay, p2pnet and linking</title>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-314185</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment in Polish.
Przyznam, ze mam male wyrzuty sumienia po miesiecznym nie w pelni swiadomym uzywaniu The Pirate Bay, lecz &quot;wkopujac&quot; sie glebiej w temat kto wie czy rzeczywiscie wymiana plikow (sharing files) nie jest przyszloscia netu i wszelkie ograniczenia w ramach copyrights powinny raczej dotyczyc pewnego trybu, okresu obowiazywania restrykcji.
Pozdrawiam
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment in Polish.<br />
Przyznam, ze mam male wyrzuty sumienia po miesiecznym nie w pelni swiadomym uzywaniu The Pirate Bay, lecz &#8220;wkopujac&#8221; sie glebiej w temat kto wie czy rzeczywiscie wymiana plikow (sharing files) nie jest przyszloscia netu i wszelkie ograniczenia w ramach copyrights powinny raczej dotyczyc pewnego trybu, okresu obowiazywania restrykcji.<br />
Pozdrawiam<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: smithy953</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-307439</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its impossible to ever get rid of file shareing totaly, id love to see some one try and take my personal torrent tracker away, ok so its not tht big and it has only one member.... me but ya can think again if ya, hollywood is gttin scared cos they know that if they acctualy do bring down tpb theyl have a whole army of hackers and coders redy and willing to bring them down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its impossible to ever get rid of file shareing totaly, id love to see some one try and take my personal torrent tracker away, ok so its not tht big and it has only one member&#8230;. me but ya can think again if ya, hollywood is gttin scared cos they know that if they acctualy do bring down tpb theyl have a whole army of hackers and coders redy and willing to bring them down</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303412</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They could, even at this late date, retrieve the situation by simply going back to square one to start working with people&quot;

No. It is too late. They got multiple warning from us about what will hapen if they continued their criminals activities.

They thought taht since they could corrupt a bunch of governement and their justice system they could go away with conducting themselves as the anti-social parasites they are with impunity. WRONG!

We the customers hold the money and decide who get it. Most of us has decided a while ago to never support these lowlife ever again! As tyhey see their business go down in flame they can keep screaming that it is because of file sharing it will not do anything to save them since most of us want them dead!

We are getting what we want right now as we speak.In few years from now or sooner all these toxic business will be extinct and the lawsuits will stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They could, even at this late date, retrieve the situation by simply going back to square one to start working with people&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It is too late. They got multiple warning from us about what will hapen if they continued their criminals activities.</p>
<p>They thought taht since they could corrupt a bunch of governement and their justice system they could go away with conducting themselves as the anti-social parasites they are with impunity. WRONG!</p>
<p>We the customers hold the money and decide who get it. Most of us has decided a while ago to never support these lowlife ever again! As tyhey see their business go down in flame they can keep screaming that it is because of file sharing it will not do anything to save them since most of us want them dead!</p>
<p>We are getting what we want right now as we speak.In few years from now or sooner all these toxic business will be extinct and the lawsuits will stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303394</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wayne Crookes is a bag of [four-letter expletive deleted in the interests of cowardice.  ;) ]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Crookes is a bag of [four-letter expletive deleted in the interests of cowardice.  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303391</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HÃ¥kan Roswall has been pay by the IFPI to do this dirty job. He is a traitor and should be put in jail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HÃ¥kan Roswall has been pay by the IFPI to do this dirty job. He is a traitor and should be put in jail!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303387</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. . .they figure, already handily disposed of Russiaâs AllofMP3.com.&quot; Actually they are still in business and the latest court decision was in their favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . .they figure, already handily disposed of Russiaâs AllofMP3.com.&#8221; Actually they are still in business and the latest court decision was in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303366</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sur they are going to BS the judge into trying to make him/her believe (under oath!) that PB is a commercial operation!

Yes you Honor I swear under Oath (Crossed finger behind their back!) that at PB THEY ARE MAKING TONS OF MONEY!

And as far as communism propaganda is concerned read what the swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet 
Wrote about PB: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71543

This is what you call journalistic integrity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sur they are going to BS the judge into trying to make him/her believe (under oath!) that PB is a commercial operation!</p>
<p>Yes you Honor I swear under Oath (Crossed finger behind their back!) that at PB THEY ARE MAKING TONS OF MONEY!</p>
<p>And as far as communism propaganda is concerned read what the swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet<br />
Wrote about PB: <a href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71543" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71543</a></p>
<p>This is what you call journalistic integrity!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-303357</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you carry the kind of traffic pulled in by the Pirate Bay (in the top 200) you need some serious income just to pay for it. This is why PB is advertising on his web site. 

Claiming that they are for profit is pure propaganda that the entertainment industry learned from their evil spiritual masters, the Joseph Brothers: 


Joseph Goebbels and Joseph Staline!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you carry the kind of traffic pulled in by the Pirate Bay (in the top 200) you need some serious income just to pay for it. This is why PB is advertising on his web site. </p>
<p>Claiming that they are for profit is pure propaganda that the entertainment industry learned from their evil spiritual masters, the Joseph Brothers: </p>
<p>Joseph Goebbels and Joseph Staline!</p>
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		<title>By: Odin</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-302549</link>
		<dc:creator>Odin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live the piratebay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live the piratebay!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-302239</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah right! Like they could sink that Pirate Ship!

Good Luck/Job PirateBay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah right! Like they could sink that Pirate Ship!</p>
<p>Good Luck/Job PirateBay!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-301779</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a very careful dance they are doing. Trying to sue for infringement based on hyperlinking could get the major heavy weights of the internet involved. You can&#039;t get anywhere on the net without a link. Links themselves have no copyright infringing in and of themselves. That is after all, what TPB itself offers is links, not the material itself. 

Just as almost everyone is familar with, claiming inflated figures tries to justify the time and expense spent to make a case. Drug busts are figured in street value. Who is to say what street value is other than what they claim it to be? Wanna say no, those drugs are X in value very likely places you in the know as someone else they would be interested in looking into the background of. 

As always, it&#039;s been a real stretch to show the profit motive as ads or donations, neither of which is a full time income earner of dependable nature. Site&#039;s such as Oink, if they are run as most forums are run, never requires a donation to be there. Recognising a donator by some extra benefit is a normal reaction of sites. That doesn&#039;t mean they made their fortune off the donation; hardly. In almost all cases, they were not profit ventures but rather a way to meet the bills. Bandwidth and server hosting is expensive. So that is a real stretch to say &quot;the profit motive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very careful dance they are doing. Trying to sue for infringement based on hyperlinking could get the major heavy weights of the internet involved. You can&#8217;t get anywhere on the net without a link. Links themselves have no copyright infringing in and of themselves. That is after all, what TPB itself offers is links, not the material itself. </p>
<p>Just as almost everyone is familar with, claiming inflated figures tries to justify the time and expense spent to make a case. Drug busts are figured in street value. Who is to say what street value is other than what they claim it to be? Wanna say no, those drugs are X in value very likely places you in the know as someone else they would be interested in looking into the background of. </p>
<p>As always, it&#8217;s been a real stretch to show the profit motive as ads or donations, neither of which is a full time income earner of dependable nature. Site&#8217;s such as Oink, if they are run as most forums are run, never requires a donation to be there. Recognising a donator by some extra benefit is a normal reaction of sites. That doesn&#8217;t mean they made their fortune off the donation; hardly. In almost all cases, they were not profit ventures but rather a way to meet the bills. Bandwidth and server hosting is expensive. So that is a real stretch to say &#8220;the profit motive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-301571</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To prevent fill sharing they would have to make illegal both computers and computer networking. If they want to take any of these from me just come in but you must know that I have the right to bear do and I do. Comme on little brain less parasites! Make my day as you say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To prevent fill sharing they would have to make illegal both computers and computer networking. If they want to take any of these from me just come in but you must know that I have the right to bear do and I do. Comme on little brain less parasites! Make my day as you say!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14843/comment-page-1#comment-301568</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if The Pirate Bay is found guilty and goes out of business. . .&quot; The pirate bay is not in business in the sens that they are making money. They are not. 

This is more lies spread by the parasites at the entertainement industry.

But not to worry because there is a pest killer company willing to work for the pirate bay for Free and they are on there way righ now with their equipments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if The Pirate Bay is found guilty and goes out of business. . .&#8221; The pirate bay is not in business in the sens that they are making money. They are not. </p>
<p>This is more lies spread by the parasites at the entertainement industry.</p>
<p>But not to worry because there is a pest killer company willing to work for the pirate bay for Free and they are on there way righ now with their equipments!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In America the supreme court, in a landmark case, unequivocally stated that any technology which has substantial non-infringing uses cannot be made illegal. It is a succinct, plain statement in black and white. I don&#039;t know if Sweden has a similar law but that is certainly the tactic I would take in a defense. You can not make something illegal if it can be used for both good and evil; as much as the anti-gunners try to do with personal firearm ownership in the U.S. they will never succeed. You can not hold a firearm manufacturer liable if someone uses a gun to murder; the exact same thing could be said of a car manufacturer being held liable if a car is used to run over someone. That is just silly. The Internet is, by its very nature, an interconnected web of links to various content, some good, some bad. Freedom of speech, at least in America, remains our biggest defense against this lunacy. Let&#039;s hope those ideals will bring lucidity to this Swedish idiocy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In America the supreme court, in a landmark case, unequivocally stated that any technology which has substantial non-infringing uses cannot be made illegal. It is a succinct, plain statement in black and white. I don&#8217;t know if Sweden has a similar law but that is certainly the tactic I would take in a defense. You can not make something illegal if it can be used for both good and evil; as much as the anti-gunners try to do with personal firearm ownership in the U.S. they will never succeed. You can not hold a firearm manufacturer liable if someone uses a gun to murder; the exact same thing could be said of a car manufacturer being held liable if a car is used to run over someone. That is just silly. The Internet is, by its very nature, an interconnected web of links to various content, some good, some bad. Freedom of speech, at least in America, remains our biggest defense against this lunacy. Let&#8217;s hope those ideals will bring lucidity to this Swedish idiocy.</p>
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