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p2pnet news | Advertising:- A little earlier today, “Did Bill and the Boyz knowingly scam people by letting PC makers stick ‘Windows Vista Capable’ on PCs when they knew perfectly well the computers could run only the most bare-bones version?” - wondered a p2pnet post, going on:
“That’s the subject of a current class action and in the meanwhile, the company now tacitly admits it overcharged people by saying it plans to massively slash the price of versions which go directly to consumers by 20% to 48%.”
There are several Reader’s Writes on the post and we thought we’d share this one with you 
“Ya right with Vista!” - it says, lightly edited, going on >>>
What a big piece of Microslosh!
I got a Toshiba Satellite with duo-core 64 AMD Processor, 2 GHZ, 2GB RAM and a 160gb HD with Vista PRemium home edition and the dam shit is crawling crawling and crawling!
Without mentioning all the bugs some of them really really annoying.
The worst bug is the screen blacking out when the thingy tries to go into sleep mode. Apparently a bug in the video driver DRM!
I got really tired of this so I decided to downgrade back to XP.
When I asked Microsoft for that they told me that I don’t qualify for it. So I got a version of XP corporate and installed it.
The thing runs great at lighting speed save, of course, for all the annoying stupid Microsoft idea annoying pop-up messages and so forth.
Big problem: I could not find the right driver for the graphic board, the sound card, the Ethernet card, the wifi card. The default driver for the graphic card is working but not too good on this system.
I am now trying to install a version of LInux and I hope I can find the right drivers for this. If it fails I will reinstall Vista and return this dam piece of crap!
Stay far far far away from a Vista system!
A Vista system is likely to be Vista specific and you will might not have any driver to run anything else.
Thank you microcrap!
You’re welcome
Stay tuned.
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February 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
um in reply to that readers write post, i have an acer with 2 gigs of ram and a turion x2 (tl 50) processor, and it runs perfectly. Now a $630 laptop (in september) should not be a ‘main’ computer for someone who does a lot of stuff other than take notes, so i use it as a sidekick to my desktop, and it works wonderfully. Stay away from vista? no. After having worked as a technician and in the sales department of staples where we SELL toshiba and acer systems, i can tell you toshibas right now are CRAP. Sooo many driver problems, so much GARBAGE loaded onto the system when you first buy it, and SOOOOOOOOO many hardware failures. Stay the h-e-doublehockeysticks away from TOSHIBA!
February 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
f4te is horribly delusional. Windows Vista is loaded with destructive DRM. The DRM makes it able for any device to into “reduced functionality” mode and never go out. Talk about heaven for hackers to force other computers into forever reduced functionality. Microsoft purchased the rights to Starforce 3, which is the DRM they have embedded into Windows Vista. Starforce 3, as any true gamer would know, destroys computers. UFO: Aftershock runs much faster, and doesn’t crash with Starforce removed, but it crashes constantly and is barely playable with it on. For some unknown reason, this destructive DRM is what Bill and the boys call “security.”
Switch back to Windows XP??? Hell no, Microsoft dropped update support for Windows XP. It is only a matter of time before hackers completely destroy the user functionality of Windows XP. Unless one seriously believes whatever Window OS created after Vista will be better than Windows XP, instead of switching back, switch forward to Linux.
The lesson to be learned. STAY AWAY FROM DRM, especially STARFORCE.
The other lesson, switch to Linux. It’s free, outpeforms all Windows OS, truly customizable (unlike Windows), and NO DRM!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
From personal experience I hate Vista. A new computer purchased recently came with it on the computer. When you search, each letter you type in the search term becomes a separate search as you are going. So as example, the word last as the search term. L becomes one search, la another, las yet again, last a final search, all going on at the same time. For a small search term such as that there are 4 searches happening all at once. Talk about eating into resources and bogging down computer speed! Don’t try the search with a large work, heaven forbid.
Then there is the issue of refreshing when backing out of a folder in winexplorer. This isn’t so noticeable on a small single folder. Get on a larger drive, such as say a 1 TB size drive and you wait for near a minute for the folders to all refresh before you can access another folder. Good practice for your finger drumming but not for productivity. There is also the irration that when you make a new folder, at the end of a directory of folders, it first moves into alphabetical order from the end of the list as New Folder. Then when you provide a name to the folder, it moves yet again into alphabetical order for the name you have given it. So you are all over a list of folders in positioning before you can actually make use of the folder. Again wasting time and resources in this unnecessary moving all over the place before you can make use of what you are wanting to do.
The multitude of continual clicking to allow permission to do something is an irration as well. You can’t just click on a execute to initiate opening a program. Oh no, you got to do that followed by clicking yet again to all admin privileges, and sometimes yet again to get the job done. What a waste when you started out with a click to say yes you wanted to run this particular program.
Then there is the driver problems. Buy hardware over the internet it is anybodies guess whether it will work or not. Better than half won’t mention it is for what OS and if the drivers are available either with the hardware or downloadable from the makers website. Some that don’t mention it works anyway, some you couldn’t get to make work with a union of programmers waiting in the wings to help.
Then there is the backwards compatibility problems with older software. Some works, some don’t.
Plus the hardware problems that if you are not running more recent hardware, much of Vista’s sales points of higher quality come to ought.
Don’t get me started on DRM, which I hate with a true passion.
The warranty on this computer will run out at some time. When it does, you can kiss Vista good bye on this one.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
“Developers, developers, developers….” Remember that one from Steve? I think he’ll be saying that a few more times but with a little less enthusiasm when Vista’s ass gets hauled off to court.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
MS went to bed with the devil when it built Vista. Does anyone think they will not get burned trying to use it? Between “entertainment” industry DRM and corporate security measures Vista never had a chance and will never be satisfactory. To be fair the hardware manufactures must also share a big chunk of the blame. Trusted Platform Modules are at the heart of the hardware restrictions and security “features” of Vista. They will pose serious problems for many users for as long as anyone cares to use systems that contain them. Many current Vista laptops do not even offer XP (or Linux, ha ha, fat chance) drivers so users are truly stuck with Vista. All I can say is, Vista will be the best thing that ever happened to Linux. Ubuntu anyone? http://www.ubuntu.com/
February 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I refuse to install Vista on any new computer of mine until it comes with a flux capacitor.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
what ubuntu lacks though to make it realyy competetive is the following feature:
One you got it installed there must be one big icon on the desktop labeled
“Click here so you will download all the stuff you need to play all your mediafiles”
Note that I’m aware that you can do this with the packet manager and it’s not so hard if you are interested in the technology.
But if you imagine the typical “next-next-next-finish” xpuser, just the
experience that suddenly he could not play his mp3 on his files partition after he was bold enough to make some space for ubuntu in his xp partition, could be repulsive enough to delete ubuntu again and use windows instead that “simply works”
February 29th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
This is in response to the Reader’s Write post up in the article. I am currently running Vista x64 Home Premium on a system I built three years ago. AMD Athlon 2800+ socket 754 1.8 GHz, which is the first consumer 64 bit processor that AMD put out, with 1 Gig of PC3200 and a Geforce 6200. All of this old tech and yet my Vista install is very responsive. No overclocks or anything. Vista even rates my system as a 3.6. Oh and by the way I have not disabled any of the system services either. I have been very happy with Vista, at least the 64 bit version.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I have the same computer and I found that if I uninstalled Norton AV and replaced it with Kaspersky and it runs perfectly.
I think some people need to realize that the quility of your AV has a serious impact on your computers performance.
Also all the bundled crap these OEM’s put on your computer should be removed.
Vista run fine, needs some improvement but software companies need to catch up.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
My system:
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1GB RAM
7200RPM HDD
nVidya 7900 GS OC (PCI-E x16)
So far, Vista has been great except for a couple of bugs. It’s not any slower or faster than XP.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
i have a toshiba satelite like 1st poster and it runs well
you must uninstall the norton crap it really kills speed
there was not that much crap ware other wise unlike
an hp junker i took back and exchanged for the toshiba
my toshiba satellite runs flawlessly under vista
I found i could disable most of the annoying vista crap
and it looks much like xp, sp1 installed well and after
a year few complaints toshiba rocks
February 29th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
p.s. the toshiba site had all the drivers i needed to try xp
and i found after all . . . i liked vista better
February 29th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
As I said in an earlier post, I would very much like to switch to Linux from Vista. But it just will not boot on this machine.
If you can steer me to a Linux version that will boot on this machine please do so. Otherwise, I’m a M$ slave for as long as this thing runs.
The machine is off the shelf HP DV9000, sold by the hundreds of thousands at Future Shop and Best Buy and if you read any of the Linux forums, everyone that has one has the same problems. (and nobody ever has a solid solution) LINUX WILL NOT BOOT. At least not without major rejigging of all the system files. And a beginner just doesn’t get it.
So if any Linux fanboys can show me where to find a livecd version that will at least boot up on an hp pavilion dv9408ca notebook without major fiddling then do so please.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Here’s a question no Vista advocates seem able, or willing to answer; What do you actually need Vista for? What does it do that XP doesn’t?
It has driver problems, it has compatibility problems, it has DRM problems, and it has an annoying “security” feature that pops up so often that users either turn it off, or just start clicking the Allow button automatically, negating the entire purpose of the thing in the first place. Sure, Vista looks nice, but what does it actually do that you can’t do with XP?
It both amazes and saddens me that so many people are willing to put up with Vista’s crap and take the attitude that “it’ll get better…” If it doesn’t work properly now, why should anyone wait for it to reach the same level of functionality as already exists in XP and non-MS OS’s? Why is it so important that you buy the latest piece of crap that MS puts out, regardless of whether it works properly or not?
Doesn’t it occur to anyone that MS’s entire business model is based on the idea of selling users new versions of what they already have? Here’s a tip; MS doesn’t produce new versions of Windows because they truly want to make it better. If that were the case, they would continue to improve existing versions. They produce new versions because they want people to dump whatever they’re using and give them more money for the new version, regardless of whether they actually need it or not. Make no mistake, if MS thought it could get away with it, they’d be producing a new version of Windows every year.
A computer OS is supposed to exist to control the hardware and to provide a stable framework in which to run programs. When did the OS become the star of the show such that all the hardware and other software has to bow down and worship it?
We’ve gone from something that used to be provided free with the computer to something that MS expects you to pay several hundred dollars for every few years. Even if you get it when you buy a new computer, you’re still paying to have this crap included on it.
A new OS like Vista doesn’t benefit anyone but Microsoft. It benefits them by putting money in their pocket and by giving them more control over what you can and can’t do with your own computer.
March 1st, 2008 at 3:11 am
“When did the OS become the star of the show such that all the hardware and other software has to bow down and worship it?”
That must had happened 10 years or so ago.
See this survailance camera
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March 1st, 2008 at 8:09 am
” Vista run fine, needs some improvement but software companies need to catch up. ”
This may or may not be so, but the DRM complications are enough reason to
steer clear of it.
You are right .. software companies need to catch up with the idea that DRM
will never work, and alienates those who would used their product.
Microsoft products are the top of the list for infringed software.
So .. why are they not broke ?
If this infringement were truly damaging, How can they still exist, let alone be one of
the wealthiest companies globally.
Not only that … as the top infringed softwares .. how has DRM affected anything ?
RIAA/MPAA stuff .. same thing.
DRM has never stopped anyone from copying anything.
Copying has not hurt the labels in any meanngful FINANCIAL way, else they
would not be the wealthy companies they are today.
I also am a technician ( not in the sales department of an office supplies store ).
I have repaired PC’s since the IBM XT days .. pre windows, and my recommendation
is to avoid vista vigorously.
If you can’t purchase a new machine with XP, have one made for you locally.
The best way to show microsoft the error of it’s Vista ways is to not shell out any
money for it, and to hurt the major vendors that refuse to provide an alternative
to Vista..
March 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am
Rekrul is right on the money.
For “Vista hater”, you’re wrong on one thing, Microsoft has announce that the support for Windows XP (i.e. monthly patch) will be running until 2014.
Availability for OEM and CAO license for XP was extended until Jan 2009. My guess, it will be extended again. And probably again.
The Vienna beta (i.e. Windows 7) will be out soon. I believe it’s been leaked aready.
The biggest problem with Vista is that it took to long to come out. There was a 2 to 3 years cycle between version before (95 -> 98 -> ME -> XP, NT - > 2000 -> XP). XP stayed THE OS for over 5 years. That left most companies an awful long time to settle on this and that and now they won’t change that and go thru some expensive upgrade just for the heck of it.
If you look at the big picture, the vast majority of PCs in the world are use for business. That’s where there is the smallest penetration from Vista. And it will stay that way still for quite a while.
Most home users, and they are the majority (stop looking at your belly button), learn just a few years ago to use a computer and they learn to use XP. They have now attain a certain level of comfort, they don’t want to retrain with Vista. That’s part of the big picture.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:26 am
My pet peeve with Vista is the glitchy video driver, where it has to restart itself every so often. Bloody annoying.
March 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
“What do you actually need Vista for? What does it do that XP doesn’t?”
This is why you need it for:
1) As you use the computer, every few minute it ask you some questions to fight bordom while Xp only keep anoying you wtih just unwanted messages.
2) Vista keep constantly accessing the HD to entairtain you with the HD bliking led even if you are not using the system. XP does not do that.
3) It take a lot longer to boot and stop that XP so while it start you can go and take some coffe. With Xp you have to start working right away. This is stuff!
4) Every so often the thing go on internet accessing some unknow remote servers so if you have an emergency somebody I don’t know who know where you are. With Xp if you have an emergency your are screwed becausenobody will know even when the auto-update is on.
5) From time to time Vista will not let you play a movie or a track from Britney slut so that you are protected from nasty RIAA/MPAA content. Xp does not do that.
6) Vista go a lot slower than you type. it gives you a lot of time to think before you write something say something or click on something. For exemple Unlike XP you have a lot more time to reconsider your last decision to install the latest RIAA/MPAA sponsored Microsoft spyware.
7) Since Vista is an alpha version you have many oportunities to report some shorcomming and bugs to Bill and thus you fell as if you are a little bit part of Microsoft. XP does not give you so much opportunities to belong.
9) With Vista you can entertain yourself by writing key world such as 9-11 Ben Lapain or Jiad and notice one more helicopter flying among other thing above your home. If you use Xp borringly enought only birds will fly above your home. (Ok may be with few mosquitoes.)
10) With Vista you can tell immediatly what you thing of the RIAA to them: Start your note pad and type: Fuck you RIAA! and immediatly the RIAA knows. With XP you have to call or Email them or send a Snail mail.
11) With Vista the electrons inside the machine work like the bureaucrates, Very slowly. Those that arrive late cross those that arrive early. So the electrons are not so stressed. Not with XP. With XP everything is hysterical.
12) With Vista your computer will black out from time to time thus providing an excuse why you did not finished your job. With Xp this excuse is more difficult to swalow and you might have to hire an attorney to get it through.
March 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Sure, Vista looks nice, but what does it actually do that you can’t do with XP?”
DX10. More agressive use of ram so stuff i use often actually loads faster on my (4 gigs of ram) computer running vista x64 than it does on xp x64.
Thats just two examples, theres plenty more.
btw, jon, i absolutely LOATH wordpress. As a quick example, i haven’t posted a comment since the first one on this thread, and it says i’m posting comments too quickly. Also, i responded after Vista Hater’s reply to mine, and it never showed up, then i tried re-posting it and it said ‘theres a post with similar content, double post’ or something.
now lets see if it lets me post this.
March 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Must be another bug in Vista. LOL
March 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
“DX10. More agressive use of ram so stuff i use often actually loads faster on my (4 gigs of ram) computer running vista x64 than it does on xp x64.”
This is not one. If you stuff 2Gb or Ram on even on 2K (or XP as a matter of fact) it will load entire executable code on RAM and even all the associated data. How more agressive can it be?
Even with 2K , application will stay in RAM and can be restarted from there until the memory is needed for something else. Any way with the curent HD technology 2K is so fast that most application even the big one load instantly from the hard drive even with a single core 32bit proccessor. Vista is slow and slow and slow even with a Quad Core processor!
Oh and Linux! I tested linux umbuctu from the CD rom without installing it and it is already faster than Vista. This is hard to believe. Do you know how slow is a CD ROM?
And as far a s the look is concerned you can find few package on the net that will make 2K or Xp look like Vista.
Thinks such as the tramsparent icons for exemple are already supported in 98! What a novelty.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:12 pm
“This is not one. If you stuff 2Gb or Ram on even on 2K (or XP as a matter of fact) it will load entire executable code on RAM and even all the associated data. How more agressive can it be?”
(wordpress needs a quoting feature. yet another reason it sucks. btw i’m using opera, so if the problem’s anywhere, its in wordpress not being coded perfectly)
Vista not only loads entire code onto ram when you use a program, its boot process includes loading all your most commonly used applications into ram too, for faster startup.
I have NO idea how u can say vista is slow with a quadcore processor, i have a 6400+ black, (dualcore, incase you didnt know) and only one 80 gig harddrive (Right now, about to go raid 0 with 4 80s) andi just loaded photoshop cs3 (which i haven’t used in 2 weeks, so you know it’s not in ram) in 5 seconds!!! I have NO idea how you can say thats slow!
I’m not into vista for the looks, and even if i was, it’d be hell to run all the applications to make xp LOOK like vista. besides, theres no denying the fact that stock vista is WAY more secure than stock xp.
Wow, never seen 20+ comments on a post on p2pnet.
(btw, wordpress just said i’m posting too fast again.. actually this time it was so bad i had to go to IE to post, wouldn’t let me in opera)
March 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
“I have NO idea how u can say vista is slow”
You don’t know what fast mean. Try linux then or try 2K if you still insist on running window. This is what fast mean.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
“photoshop cs3 (which i haven’t used in 2 weeks, so you know it’s not in ram) in 5 seconds!!!”
Whoo! 5 sec! Big deal! Back to the time of the 486!
Try this on 2K and it will load in 1/2 sec or less. So will Msword, excel or power point.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
“vista is WAY more secure than stock xp”
If you think Vista is secure your are delusional.
The Vista firewall is a laughting stock for exemple. Vista is harder to secure with all the cryptic stuff running on it, each of them a target, and it’s tortuous bureaucracy full of holes, with it’s load of un-necessary complexity imposed by DRM. Vista have many more opportunities for hackers than even XP. To make think worst many security utilities that run fine on XP and previous versions, no longer run on Vista. If you want secure you may want to run a flavor of Linux or Unix.
Ironically you can easily make Windows 95 way more secure than Vista with the right open source utilities.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm
“if any Linux fanboys can show me where to find a livecd version that will at least boot up on an hp pavilion dv9408ca notebook without major fiddling then do so please.”
Ubuntu seems to load without a problem. Here is a thread that talked about some issues with 7.10 Gusty Gibbon, all very minor:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=581157
March 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm
But if you imagine the typical “next-next-next-finish” xpuser, just the
experience that suddenly he could not play his mp3 on his files partition after he was bold enough to make some space for ubuntu in his xp partition, could be repulsive enough to delete ubuntu again and use windows instead that “simply works”
Since Ubuntu 7.10 if you click on a mp3 file a dialog box pops up and asks if you would like to install the codec, then it’s click-click-click just like in XP
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:56 am
MisterMeister
nice to know, maybe such features can really help to get ubu onto more machines of homeusers that are not hardcore gamers though
March 2nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I’m using Win 98 (would love to update it to 2k) with 256MB RAM. What programs that still work on the FAT32 file system run fast enough. I’d say that Vista is bloated…
March 2nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Screw XP and Vista Im still using my Pirated copy of Win2k PRO that friend gave me, it runs great.
You just have to make sure, that you LEARN what hardware is on your computer first and grab the appropriate drivers from the manufacturers web sites before changing your O/S
also DON’T forget that if you change from WINXP to WIN2k or any other O/S any other drives will not be formatted correctly and the new O/S won’t see the data on those drives.
I learned that the hard way. luckily I have everything backed up on disc.
but re-loading over 50,000 mp3’s and over 1,000 music videos takes quite a long time:)
Screw you Big Corporate america.
March 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Your comment poster thingy is definitely broken… I post a response, and it doesn’t appear. I post it again, and it says “oops, it looks like you already posted that”. I wait a couple of days, and it’s still not there. Wassup?
March 2nd, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I found a feature that Vista has that XP doesn’t (and in all places, the firefox IRC room).
Vista totally revamped its sound system so that the mixer lets you control sound and volume on a per-application basis. (Cww said it)
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:06 pm
@ Andy
I have no idea what’s going on. It’s buggy, that’s for sure, but it isn’t ‘mine’ — it’s WordPress’ and despite a lot of digging around, I haven’t been able to find a fix. But as I’ve said several times before, the same thing happens to me, although I haven’t seen an ‘oops’ yet.
I’ll keep looking and eventually, I’ll find an answer.
Cheers!