Comments on: Bell-Sympatico P2P throttling: more

By: Mad

Mad — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:11:16 +0000

Someone needs to publish ALL the contact numbers in the Bell offices Bell employee’s no longer have access to these numbers to give them to the customers. Instead they give you a snail mail address (which generally never gets read) or an email address ( which has filters run on it to only allow certain emails to the inbox)

By: realist

realist — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:47:18 +0000

P2P breaks traditional business models and causes ISPs huge challenges in capacity and economics. if you get your way, your “unlimited” connection will be 400/mnth? Ready for that?
maybe not, but thats probably a lot closer to what isps (you pick) would need to cover the costs of pluming. cheap high speed works well when there is a stat mux, but users running unmanned applications that suck as much BW as they can, full time, just don’t work.

If you go to an all you can eat buffet and eat non stop for hours such that they run out of food for the rest of the patrons, I bet some “usage” controls would be enacted such that normal patrons could enjoy as well. Just because you can eat 24/7 doesn’t mean you should be able to

By: David James

David James — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:52:39 +0000

Welcome to my world…Rogers has been doing this to me for about a year and a half now.
When they first started my upload speeds dropped to something like 100 bytes per second bytes not kilobytes.
Welcome to screwsville population everyone in Canada.
There is no one else to chose. Rogers or bell…all the others most likely rent their bandwidth from rogers or bell and are subject to the same shaping.

By: Ottawa Gal

Ottawa Gal — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:24:33 +0000

snuggles said:
I got nowhere with that level, however going up a level did get me what I wanted, contract ended, and NO 100$ early termination fee, and now I’m happy with Acanac, my new unmetered, unlimited ISP.
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Exactly.

As discussed in this story, http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13883 don’t waste your time if you get the run-around with billing. Take it to the top by either calling the Bell Executive Office of Customer Relations at: 1-866-317-3382 (toll free). Be sure to get a confirmation number.
or email the president of residential service kevin.crull@bell.ca and fight.

Not only is it a material change, but according to their OWN terms of uses, and their OWN service contracts, they will inform you of changes. which the did not. Refer to the above link and Bells own service agreements.

Bell is trying hard and forcing their retentions and billing rep’s to not accept their own “material change” clause, and their own clause about informing you (which they chose not to).

Many have cancelled via this route. Some wern’t brave enough to fight and just paid Bell to go away.

Would you give the school yard bully your lunch money to go away? Some have.

Fight or flight.

You did good.

By: snuggles

snuggles — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:57:50 +0000

well, regardless of the letter / script posted above, I canceled my contract with bell using the arguments about material change, and how I’m paying for “unlimited high-speed internet”, yet they are limiting my use of it, I had never been told of the change in advance etc…

I got nowhere with that level, however going up a level did get me what I wanted, contract ended, and NO 100$ early termination fee, and now I’m happy with Acanac, my new unmetered, unlimited ISP.

now that Bell is going to throttle ALL 3rd party ISPs, I’ll be canceling my phone with them as well…

money talks, screw Bell.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:45:21 +0000

Enctyption will have no effect on the throttle. Matter of fact any encryption at all seems to envoke the throttle.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:29:08 +0000

Azureus encryption (or utorrent encryption for that matter) doesn’t circumvent the shaping algorithm being employed (I’ve tried ). Torrent client developers are working on counter-measures, but we’re left with few options until they come through for us. Leasing a VPN tunnel reportedly works (ISP can’t distinguish P2P from any other VPN encrypted traffic - completely opaque), but then you’re paying another fee on top of your Sympatico bill. Usenet still works if you’re willing to subscriber to a paid usenet service (again, the extra bill). FTP still works if you can find a link. Otherwise, you just have to let your torrents run all night (like you were a low speed user). During off-peak hours the bitrate improves (though sometimes *very* late, 3am or later). This is not a new problem. I started getting throttled in January (Stittsville, outside Ottawa). Nice to see the press though.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:38:53 +0000

Oh, this page look useful if your interested too: http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Message_Stream_Encryption

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:36:16 +0000

I guess people will have to start encrypting their p2p packets to look like regular traffic. I think Azureus can already do this though I haven’t looked deeply into it. Ah, heres the link: http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Encryption, prehaps read if you are interested.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:43:56 +0000

If they start to throttle my internet access they are the one that broke the contract not me. Therefore they can kiss my ass. They will not get any termination fee. SORRRRRYYYYY!