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	<title>Comments on: New Bell Canada scandal looms</title>
	<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nelley</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-384046</link>
		<author>Nelley</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-384046</guid>
		<description>When I called up Bell  to find out why my Bell ISP-line is being cut off sometimes and why the slowness at times when it finally comes back, they gave me all kinds of mumbo jumbo and that a technician has to come around to fix it for me, and that it will cost me over $70 extra for the repairs - till I saw an article about it.... and figure it out that it wasn't my house connection or any faulty wires as they proposed... why are they denying it, do they really think that people are so daft and never read the news? This sounds like we're getting controlled in some way or the other. Since I've got a contract for a couple of years, apparently I can't get out of it unless I pay up to the end of the contract... time for a class action suit for false advertisement!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I called up Bell  to find out why my Bell ISP-line is being cut off sometimes and why the slowness at times when it finally comes back, they gave me all kinds of mumbo jumbo and that a technician has to come around to fix it for me, and that it will cost me over $70 extra for the repairs - till I saw an article about it&#8230;. and figure it out that it wasn&#8217;t my house connection or any faulty wires as they proposed&#8230; why are they denying it, do they really think that people are so daft and never read the news? This sounds like we&#8217;re getting controlled in some way or the other. Since I&#8217;ve got a contract for a couple of years, apparently I can&#8217;t get out of it unless I pay up to the end of the contract&#8230; time for a class action suit for false advertisement!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383851</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383851</guid>
		<description>Robert Soul Says:
"I was told that, unlike Videotron cable, there is no slowdown due to neighborhood bandwidth hogging."
Thats Bells false advertizing that industry Canada allows!

I'm w/ videotron and I can sum it up in one word, FAST! Make the move, you won't be disappointed.

I had the same fear, but its "shared", slow, I never had peak time usage speed problems. ever. With their docsis 3 they have more than enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Soul Says:<br />
&#8220;I was told that, unlike Videotron cable, there is no slowdown due to neighborhood bandwidth hogging.&#8221;<br />
Thats Bells false advertizing that industry Canada allows!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m w/ videotron and I can sum it up in one word, FAST! Make the move, you won&#8217;t be disappointed.</p>
<p>I had the same fear, but its &#8220;shared&#8221;, slow, I never had peak time usage speed problems. ever. With their docsis 3 they have more than enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383580</link>
		<author>Robert Soul</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383580</guid>
		<description>Bell claims it needs to throttle to satisfy the the non-p2p users who supposedly have slow web page loading during peak hours, yet when I first inquired about DSL I was told that, unlike Videotron cable, there is no slowdown due to neighborhood bandwidth hogging.

I am paying for a promised transfer rate with no prior agreement that certain usage may be throttled, so in my opinion they are in default of an implied contract. I am sure there is a clause in the fine print that allows them to get away with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bell claims it needs to throttle to satisfy the the non-p2p users who supposedly have slow web page loading during peak hours, yet when I first inquired about DSL I was told that, unlike Videotron cable, there is no slowdown due to neighborhood bandwidth hogging.</p>
<p>I am paying for a promised transfer rate with no prior agreement that certain usage may be throttled, so in my opinion they are in default of an implied contract. I am sure there is a clause in the fine print that allows them to get away with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383432</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383432</guid>
		<description>You cant just jump to another ISP because between Rogers and Bell they own the network your ISP is trying to communicate across. That is the real issue because there is no real choices.

Bell has decided to reduce the internet in Canada to the lowest common denominator. Check out the 5 year satisfaction numbers on DSLreports.com. You will see a consistently bad numbers that get even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cant just jump to another ISP because between Rogers and Bell they own the network your ISP is trying to communicate across. That is the real issue because there is no real choices.</p>
<p>Bell has decided to reduce the internet in Canada to the lowest common denominator. Check out the 5 year satisfaction numbers on DSLreports.com. You will see a consistently bad numbers that get even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: BELLLESS</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383321</link>
		<author>BELLLESS</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383321</guid>
		<description>We are now bell less, the thing is rogers is going to cap internet usage starting in june. 40 some canuck bucks for 60gig.
Time to go back to peoplepc.com!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are now bell less, the thing is rogers is going to cap internet usage starting in june. 40 some canuck bucks for 60gig.<br />
Time to go back to peoplepc.com!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383148</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-383148</guid>
		<description>Collaboration from the p2p software is needed too - software must choose peers that have least hops between them. This way, it should significantly decrease the load on ISP transit lines (there was another proposal that ISPs make topology information available to p2p clients, but measuring the number of hops with traceroute is just easier to automate). I am not mentioning this approach would decrease the risk of being nailed by riaafags who are not on the same network as you, if you are more likely to select peers among the other customers of your ISP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collaboration from the p2p software is needed too - software must choose peers that have least hops between them. This way, it should significantly decrease the load on ISP transit lines (there was another proposal that ISPs make topology information available to p2p clients, but measuring the number of hops with traceroute is just easier to automate). I am not mentioning this approach would decrease the risk of being nailed by riaafags who are not on the same network as you, if you are more likely to select peers among the other customers of your ISP.</p>
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		<title>By: Yousuf</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382868</link>
		<author>Yousuf</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382868</guid>
		<description>These ISPs may take an enlightened approach to P2P by implementing caching servers within their networks. That way P2P traffic could be cached and forwarded to their own customers through an ISP's own internal network rather than directly over the Internet. I don't know if such caching servers exist yet, but I would expect that when they do become a reality, it will be the smaller ISPs adopting them, not the behemoths like Bell or Rogers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These ISPs may take an enlightened approach to P2P by implementing caching servers within their networks. That way P2P traffic could be cached and forwarded to their own customers through an ISP&#8217;s own internal network rather than directly over the Internet. I don&#8217;t know if such caching servers exist yet, but I would expect that when they do become a reality, it will be the smaller ISPs adopting them, not the behemoths like Bell or Rogers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382746</link>
		<author>Wes</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382746</guid>
		<description>I can see how this would happen with all ISPs.  ISPs generally over subscribe their customers so that they can make more on their infrastructure.  It's kind of shady for sure, but I guess it's the only way to be able to make money.  A few years ago, people weren't doing all the stuff on the internet that they are now like youtube and bittorrents.  They were doing mp3s, but not to the same extent that people are now.     I've actually worked on bandwidth servers, which we had to impliment on a wireless isp to improve everyones overall performance.   I guess bell could argu that they are doing it for the overall benifit of everyone using their service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how this would happen with all ISPs.  ISPs generally over subscribe their customers so that they can make more on their infrastructure.  It&#8217;s kind of shady for sure, but I guess it&#8217;s the only way to be able to make money.  A few years ago, people weren&#8217;t doing all the stuff on the internet that they are now like youtube and bittorrents.  They were doing mp3s, but not to the same extent that people are now.     I&#8217;ve actually worked on bandwidth servers, which we had to impliment on a wireless isp to improve everyones overall performance.   I guess bell could argu that they are doing it for the overall benifit of everyone using their service.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382542</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382542</guid>
		<description>"Don't attack the Bell PR guys. Attack  the fucking company. The question is how do we attack a public company? 

Do we go after the CEO or president? Do we go after the Headquarter?

The first and most efficient way is to spread a massive boycott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t attack the Bell PR guys. Attack  the fucking company. The question is how do we attack a public company? </p>
<p>Do we go after the CEO or president? Do we go after the Headquarter?</p>
<p>The first and most efficient way is to spread a massive boycott.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382480</link>
		<author>Kevin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382480</guid>
		<description>Nice article.  Bell is engaged in illegal, anti-competitive behaviour if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  Bell is engaged in illegal, anti-competitive behaviour if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382462</link>
		<author>James</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15438#comment-382462</guid>
		<description>I would just like you and your readers to know that the Jason Laszlo, spokesman for Bell in Toronto, has made some comments on his (now deleted as of this morning) facebook account that show his true feelings toward the issue of net neutrality, and by extension, Bell Canada's feelings as well.

Source:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=100</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like you and your readers to know that the Jason Laszlo, spokesman for Bell in Toronto, has made some comments on his (now deleted as of this morning) facebook account that show his true feelings toward the issue of net neutrality, and by extension, Bell Canada&#8217;s feelings as well.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=100" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=100</a></p>
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