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	<title>Comments on: Bell Canada - ringing in the spins</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: @chris</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-401183</link>
		<author>@chris</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-401183</guid>
		<description>I found doing regular surfing last night was way sloooooooow. Traffic shaping is killing my basic internet experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found doing regular surfing last night was way sloooooooow. Traffic shaping is killing my basic internet experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ottawa Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-400466</link>
		<author>Ottawa Gal</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-400466</guid>
		<description>@beaker
Your Welcome. :)
I thank you for taking the time to write and being involved.

(Note this is my 3rd attempt to post. Someone fix this thing!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@beaker<br />
Your Welcome. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I thank you for taking the time to write and being involved.</p>
<p>(Note this is my 3rd attempt to post. Someone fix this thing!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-399621</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-399621</guid>
		<description>@stefan:

Everyone is complaining but in this case, the issue is that 3rd party DSL providers fall under regulated wholesale and in this case throttling is ILLEGAL. 

@Aleas:

You can get a connection without restriction, it's called GAS or non-PPPOE DSL but there is a steep installation charge and it costs about $100/month. There are also few providers that still offer it, Teksavvy is the only one that comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stefan:</p>
<p>Everyone is complaining but in this case, the issue is that 3rd party DSL providers fall under regulated wholesale and in this case throttling is ILLEGAL. </p>
<p>@Aleas:</p>
<p>You can get a connection without restriction, it&#8217;s called GAS or non-PPPOE DSL but there is a steep installation charge and it costs about $100/month. There are also few providers that still offer it, Teksavvy is the only one that comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-398349</link>
		<author>Aleas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-398349</guid>
		<description>just how much does it cost to get an internet connection without restrictions? what if I just want to pay for a so many mbps connection and thats it? to my knowledge when you go up the ladder in ISP's they pay for a mean of connection which can deliver this much data transfer...to my knowledge a cable will not cost you more or be damaged by the fact a lot a data was transfered on it! so really we are being billed the wrong way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just how much does it cost to get an internet connection without restrictions? what if I just want to pay for a so many mbps connection and thats it? to my knowledge when you go up the ladder in ISP&#8217;s they pay for a mean of connection which can deliver this much data transfer&#8230;to my knowledge a cable will not cost you more or be damaged by the fact a lot a data was transfered on it! so really we are being billed the wrong way!</p>
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		<title>By: beeker</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-398324</link>
		<author>beeker</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-398324</guid>
		<description>Ottawa Gal, thank you for taking the time to read my posting and using it in context with this article. To let others know, I have had fairly lengthy online communications with Ottawa Girl for quite a long time with regards to much of this. Well before the general public was made aware of Bell/Sympatico's silent implementations.

As to the post "the math is flawed", the math is based on the average of the 100 percentile of Sympatico's customer base, and not the total amount of bandwidth that passes through Bell's network. It is an average per user based on the numbers released in Bell/Sympatico's own literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ottawa Gal, thank you for taking the time to read my posting and using it in context with this article. To let others know, I have had fairly lengthy online communications with Ottawa Girl for quite a long time with regards to much of this. Well before the general public was made aware of Bell/Sympatico&#8217;s silent implementations.</p>
<p>As to the post &#8220;the math is flawed&#8221;, the math is based on the average of the 100 percentile of Sympatico&#8217;s customer base, and not the total amount of bandwidth that passes through Bell&#8217;s network. It is an average per user based on the numbers released in Bell/Sympatico&#8217;s own literature.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397614</link>
		<author>Devil's Advocate</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397614</guid>
		<description>@stefan:

From what I see, people certainly ARE complaining about Rogers.
Some are taking notes right from the Cogeco story in the US.

Though many of us (whether using Rogers or Bell) did feel "something was wrong" some time ago, I think it took a while to come to the realization that it wasn't some kind of trouble at our own ends. (I'm on Sympatico.)

I know there were times I "put it off", dismissing it as just one of those times I should be looking at my router/computer/whatever.  I remember going through the motions of scanning for malware, or resetting the DSL modem, and getting better performance for the next 10 minutes.  Unless I was actually "sitting" on the torrent, I often wasn't aware that the 300KB I was getting had walked down to 30KB a few minutes after I walked away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stefan:</p>
<p>From what I see, people certainly ARE complaining about Rogers.<br />
Some are taking notes right from the Cogeco story in the US.</p>
<p>Though many of us (whether using Rogers or Bell) did feel &#8220;something was wrong&#8221; some time ago, I think it took a while to come to the realization that it wasn&#8217;t some kind of trouble at our own ends. (I&#8217;m on Sympatico.)</p>
<p>I know there were times I &#8220;put it off&#8221;, dismissing it as just one of those times I should be looking at my router/computer/whatever.  I remember going through the motions of scanning for malware, or resetting the DSL modem, and getting better performance for the next 10 minutes.  Unless I was actually &#8220;sitting&#8221; on the torrent, I often wasn&#8217;t aware that the 300KB I was getting had walked down to 30KB a few minutes after I walked away.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397579</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397579</guid>
		<description>the math is flawed

your calculation assumes only 100 people are using Bell
to calculate the actual bandwidth being used, you need to know how many users Bell has</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the math is flawed</p>
<p>your calculation assumes only 100 people are using Bell<br />
to calculate the actual bandwidth being used, you need to know how many users Bell has</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397502</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397502</guid>
		<description>95gigs a month on bells network puts you in the top 5% that is destroying the internet in all of Canada, according to Bell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>95gigs a month on bells network puts you in the top 5% that is destroying the internet in all of Canada, according to Bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397041</link>
		<author>Stefan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15516#comment-397041</guid>
		<description>Why arn't people complaining about Rogers cable.  They are throttling as well.  Plus they are limiting *capping" their customers total monthly amount download of gigs (Not as bad as Bell though).  Example I am limited to 95gigs a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why arn&#8217;t people complaining about Rogers cable.  They are throttling as well.  Plus they are limiting *capping&#8221; their customers total monthly amount download of gigs (Not as bad as Bell though).  Example I am limited to 95gigs a month.</p>
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