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		<title>By: Tout Medias</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-451861</link>
		<dc:creator>Tout Medias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 08:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Actualite Medias: Le nouveau film de Harry Potter 7 sera divise en deux parties...&lt;/strong&gt;

Maintenant il est connu le nom du realisateur ? David Yates et le nom du scenariste qui a deja travaille sur les scenarios de quelques films precedents  - Steve Kloves pour le septieme film. 
Le producteur du film David Heyman constate que la......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Actualite Medias: Le nouveau film de Harry Potter 7 sera divise en deux parties&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Maintenant il est connu le nom du realisateur ? David Yates et le nom du scenariste qui a deja travaille sur les scenarios de quelques films precedents  &#8211; Steve Kloves pour le septieme film.<br />
Le producteur du film David Heyman constate que la&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-416761</link>
		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s the part the Lexicon people didn’t do. They didn’t get permission to go to print and sell Harry Potter.&quot;

Which she most likely wouldn&#039;t have given, considering how she keeps insisting that she&#039;s going to write her own one day.

&quot;There would be no problem. This agreement would most likely also result in the wiki being bought by WB so he’d potentially profit from it in addition to the book.&quot;

I&#039;ve seen what happens when a fan project is bought by a large company. They can never resist adding lots of flash (both in the figurative and literal senses) to it, changing everything around and generally destroying everything that made it popular in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s the part the Lexicon people didn’t do. They didn’t get permission to go to print and sell Harry Potter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which she most likely wouldn&#8217;t have given, considering how she keeps insisting that she&#8217;s going to write her own one day.</p>
<p>&#8220;There would be no problem. This agreement would most likely also result in the wiki being bought by WB so he’d potentially profit from it in addition to the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen what happens when a fan project is bought by a large company. They can never resist adding lots of flash (both in the figurative and literal senses) to it, changing everything around and generally destroying everything that made it popular in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-416616</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all make it sound like he&#039;s rewriting the stories.  He&#039;s not.  He&#039;s writing a reference book.  Try visiting a library sometime and you&#039;ll find dozens of examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all make it sound like he&#8217;s rewriting the stories.  He&#8217;s not.  He&#8217;s writing a reference book.  Try visiting a library sometime and you&#8217;ll find dozens of examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Viz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-415817</link>
		<dc:creator>Viz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rekrul
Not likely. They got permission for publishing the Star Trek stuff *for profit*. The for profit part is very important.

&quot;While it did have Roddenberry’s blessing, that only happened after he had already begun working on the illustrations.&quot;...
You said it yourself. This book did not have her blessing.

That&#039;s the part the Lexicon people didn&#039;t do. They didn&#039;t get permission to go to print and sell Harry Potter. This is a betrayal to JK and I don&#039;t blame her. She was fine with the lexicon because it was free info, that any fan with a computer could access, and they reached out to her. She felt good about that. It sat right with her. She said it on the news in front of the TV cameras.

The philosophical and ethical difference in this book version of the lexicon vs. the original web site should be pretty stark. There&#039;s a big difference in intent. I am a creative person myself. I&#039;ll do anything for anyone. I&#039;d happily let others use my work for their songs, but there&#039;d be a royalty agreement, up front that we agreed on.

This move by them is also extremely disrespectful(not to mention illegal). I&#039;d be pissed off too, especially because of the way they did it. 

She&#039;s doing the only thing she can do since she has some self respect. The lexicon people are being downright slimy and evil.

If a musician samples from someone elses record and makes it into a new song, they have to do the same thing, or they get sued, even if it&#039;s just a snare drum. This lexicon book is way more extensive. It&#039;s akin to producing a documentary about Madonna, including every Madonna song ever released, and selling it without getting permission from the people that own the publishing rights. Madonna would be livid and in court.

If it was on public television, not produced for profit, and permission was asked, maybe not. 

If they&#039;d have:
A. Asked her and her publisher for permission
B. Gotten the proper agreements done
C. Offered input, editing and co-authorship (or whatever she asked for) privileges to her

There would be no problem. This agreement would most likely also result in the wiki being bought by WB so he&#039;d potentially profit from it in addition to the book. This guy wasn&#039;t in bed with the owners of Harry Potter so there&#039;s a problem. They are, like she said, exploiting Harry Potter for monetary gain now and that&#039;s game changing.

If they don&#039;t ask her first and offer a big chunk of it to her, that&#039;s big trouble. It should be if it&#039;s not.

I fully support JK Rowling in this and hope she is successful with the litigation. Harry Potter belongs to her and her fans, not one fan with a website about Harry Potter.

-Viz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rekrul<br />
Not likely. They got permission for publishing the Star Trek stuff *for profit*. The for profit part is very important.</p>
<p>&#8220;While it did have Roddenberry’s blessing, that only happened after he had already begun working on the illustrations.&#8221;&#8230;<br />
You said it yourself. This book did not have her blessing.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the part the Lexicon people didn&#8217;t do. They didn&#8217;t get permission to go to print and sell Harry Potter. This is a betrayal to JK and I don&#8217;t blame her. She was fine with the lexicon because it was free info, that any fan with a computer could access, and they reached out to her. She felt good about that. It sat right with her. She said it on the news in front of the TV cameras.</p>
<p>The philosophical and ethical difference in this book version of the lexicon vs. the original web site should be pretty stark. There&#8217;s a big difference in intent. I am a creative person myself. I&#8217;ll do anything for anyone. I&#8217;d happily let others use my work for their songs, but there&#8217;d be a royalty agreement, up front that we agreed on.</p>
<p>This move by them is also extremely disrespectful(not to mention illegal). I&#8217;d be pissed off too, especially because of the way they did it. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s doing the only thing she can do since she has some self respect. The lexicon people are being downright slimy and evil.</p>
<p>If a musician samples from someone elses record and makes it into a new song, they have to do the same thing, or they get sued, even if it&#8217;s just a snare drum. This lexicon book is way more extensive. It&#8217;s akin to producing a documentary about Madonna, including every Madonna song ever released, and selling it without getting permission from the people that own the publishing rights. Madonna would be livid and in court.</p>
<p>If it was on public television, not produced for profit, and permission was asked, maybe not. </p>
<p>If they&#8217;d have:<br />
A. Asked her and her publisher for permission<br />
B. Gotten the proper agreements done<br />
C. Offered input, editing and co-authorship (or whatever she asked for) privileges to her</p>
<p>There would be no problem. This agreement would most likely also result in the wiki being bought by WB so he&#8217;d potentially profit from it in addition to the book. This guy wasn&#8217;t in bed with the owners of Harry Potter so there&#8217;s a problem. They are, like she said, exploiting Harry Potter for monetary gain now and that&#8217;s game changing.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t ask her first and offer a big chunk of it to her, that&#8217;s big trouble. It should be if it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>I fully support JK Rowling in this and hope she is successful with the litigation. Harry Potter belongs to her and her fans, not one fan with a website about Harry Potter.</p>
<p>-Viz</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-415726</link>
		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the original Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual was written and illustrated by fan of the show. While it did have Roddenberry&#039;s blessing, that only happened after he had already begun working on the illustrations. If he&#039;d tried that in today&#039;s world, he&#039;d never have been allowed to publish it. Incidentally, that book started the whole idea of reference books for fictional universes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Trek_Star_Fleet_Technical_Manual</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the original Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual was written and illustrated by fan of the show. While it did have Roddenberry&#8217;s blessing, that only happened after he had already begun working on the illustrations. If he&#8217;d tried that in today&#8217;s world, he&#8217;d never have been allowed to publish it. Incidentally, that book started the whole idea of reference books for fictional universes.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Trek_Star_Fleet_Technical_Manual" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Trek_Star_Fleet_Technical_Manual</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-415658</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Stray Mongrel once again I am forced to agree with you on this one, if it was just the matter of a website making no money off of her works then there wouldn&#039;t be a problem at all, but once someone starts charging money for it, it becomes a whole other issue. This is not at all the same as claiming that people sharing movies, music, and software are criminals (which is wrong because they aren&#039;t making any money off of it), but more similar to the issue of people actually selling the publisher&#039;s works as their own (for instance bootleggers selling fansubs to anime followers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Stray Mongrel once again I am forced to agree with you on this one, if it was just the matter of a website making no money off of her works then there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem at all, but once someone starts charging money for it, it becomes a whole other issue. This is not at all the same as claiming that people sharing movies, music, and software are criminals (which is wrong because they aren&#8217;t making any money off of it), but more similar to the issue of people actually selling the publisher&#8217;s works as their own (for instance bootleggers selling fansubs to anime followers).</p>
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		<title>By: Stray Mongrel</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-415323</link>
		<dc:creator>Stray Mongrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek tech manuals are written by the writers of Star Trek, not unknown 3rd parties.

This is a case of a person profiting from her ideas and publishings. I think she has a clear case. An innocuous website containing information is not the same as an ambitious plan to leech profit from the ideas and creations of a completely different author, by beating them to the draw, and publishing a book that should (in all fairness) be written by the original author.

She should fairly get dibs on this publishing deal, and stand to profit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek tech manuals are written by the writers of Star Trek, not unknown 3rd parties.</p>
<p>This is a case of a person profiting from her ideas and publishings. I think she has a clear case. An innocuous website containing information is not the same as an ambitious plan to leech profit from the ideas and creations of a completely different author, by beating them to the draw, and publishing a book that should (in all fairness) be written by the original author.</p>
<p>She should fairly get dibs on this publishing deal, and stand to profit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15594/comment-page-1#comment-415176</link>
		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she wins, wouldn&#039;t that make all the &quot;technical manuals&quot; for science fiction franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek, illegal? Also, what about guidebooks for computer software?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she wins, wouldn&#8217;t that make all the &#8220;technical manuals&#8221; for science fiction franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek, illegal? Also, what about guidebooks for computer software?</p>
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