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	<title>Comments on: Comcast P2P &#8216;Bill of Rights&#8217; No! Really!</title>
	<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Johnston</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417600</link>
		<author>Eric Johnston</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417600</guid>
		<description>They must be related to Netspace in Melbourne Australia. We take it all, you lose suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They must be related to Netspace in Melbourne Australia. We take it all, you lose suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Progression</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417488</link>
		<author>Lost Progression</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417488</guid>
		<description>This is great news for China and the axis of evil.

Ah.
The progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news for China and the axis of evil.</p>
<p>Ah.<br />
The progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417481</link>
		<author>Bill Wright</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417481</guid>
		<description>If it works as well as the USA's bill of rights/constitution has done under the Bush administration, I'd say we have nothing to fear. Nothing to fear at all. It's only a virtual piece of paper and doesn't count for anyone above 36 IQ..

The real problem is the monopoly.
If Comcast has competition in most if not all areas, they would not dare implement guff like this without a holistic mandate encompassing all ISP's at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it works as well as the USA&#8217;s bill of rights/constitution has done under the Bush administration, I&#8217;d say we have nothing to fear. Nothing to fear at all. It&#8217;s only a virtual piece of paper and doesn&#8217;t count for anyone above 36 IQ..</p>
<p>The real problem is the monopoly.<br />
If Comcast has competition in most if not all areas, they would not dare implement guff like this without a holistic mandate encompassing all ISP&#8217;s at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417458</link>
		<author>Rekrul</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417458</guid>
		<description>I wonder if Comcast will hire people to fill the seats and keep normal people out of the meeting, like they did last time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Comcast will hire people to fill the seats and keep normal people out of the meeting, like they did last time?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417325</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417325</guid>
		<description>"You have the right to be throttled. You have the right to buy lots of bandwidth but never get to use it. You have the right to be called a criminal. And you have the right, no the duty, to like it!"


DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE RIGHTS AS I HAVE EXPLAINED THEM TO YOU? (Says police officer now working for comcast....right before he handcuffs you... because you didn't agree!)

Don't laugh, it is not as far from reality as you may think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You have the right to be throttled. You have the right to buy lots of bandwidth but never get to use it. You have the right to be called a criminal. And you have the right, no the duty, to like it!&#8221;</p>
<p>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE RIGHTS AS I HAVE EXPLAINED THEM TO YOU? (Says police officer now working for comcast&#8230;.right before he handcuffs you&#8230; because you didn&#8217;t agree!)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t laugh, it is not as far from reality as you may think.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Topolski</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417273</link>
		<author>Robb Topolski</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417273</guid>
		<description>Once again, nobody at this "table" is representing the users ... not to mention that the table is made of balsa wood and Comcast is using Pando merely for PR purposes.  

(Note: Pando and most of the the P4P model benefits technically do not work any better in a Cable-Internet environment because the packets still have to travel upward through DOCSIS -- which is more evidence that this Emporer is wearing no clothes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, nobody at this &#8220;table&#8221; is representing the users &#8230; not to mention that the table is made of balsa wood and Comcast is using Pando merely for PR purposes.  </p>
<p>(Note: Pando and most of the the P4P model benefits technically do not work any better in a Cable-Internet environment because the packets still have to travel upward through DOCSIS &#8212; which is more evidence that this Emporer is wearing no clothes.)</p>
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		<title>By: no_one_important</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417210</link>
		<author>no_one_important</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417210</guid>
		<description>so, Comcast is not a good 'net citizen, nobody argues that. They got caught being bad so they're throwing stuff out there so they can avoid the FCC's hammer. They need to keep up this sustained PR 'cause once they're on the FCC's radar it'll be a long time before they're off and they need some substantive results that don't make them look like the utter asses they look like now. This means that they'll have to sit at the same table as Pando and other people with a stake in the P2P game and deal, this also means that they're in a weak negotiating position and real guarantees can be gotten.

Would 'net neutrality be great? Absolutely. But instead of viewing the BoR as a trade-off for some perfect goal, it's better to view it as the first step in guaranteeing a better internet.  Pando isn't the perfect P2P representative but they have money riding on P2P data delivery so they're not going to bend to Comcast's whims. What's needed is more participation by parties on both sides of the fence. This means that instead of decrying this announcement you should be encouraging every group with some stake in P2P to join it and come together to create a legitimate set of guidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, Comcast is not a good &#8216;net citizen, nobody argues that. They got caught being bad so they&#8217;re throwing stuff out there so they can avoid the FCC&#8217;s hammer. They need to keep up this sustained PR &#8217;cause once they&#8217;re on the FCC&#8217;s radar it&#8217;ll be a long time before they&#8217;re off and they need some substantive results that don&#8217;t make them look like the utter asses they look like now. This means that they&#8217;ll have to sit at the same table as Pando and other people with a stake in the P2P game and deal, this also means that they&#8217;re in a weak negotiating position and real guarantees can be gotten.</p>
<p>Would &#8216;net neutrality be great? Absolutely. But instead of viewing the BoR as a trade-off for some perfect goal, it&#8217;s better to view it as the first step in guaranteeing a better internet.  Pando isn&#8217;t the perfect P2P representative but they have money riding on P2P data delivery so they&#8217;re not going to bend to Comcast&#8217;s whims. What&#8217;s needed is more participation by parties on both sides of the fence. This means that instead of decrying this announcement you should be encouraging every group with some stake in P2P to join it and come together to create a legitimate set of guidelines.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417142</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15624#comment-417142</guid>
		<description>You have the right to be throttled.  You have the right to buy lots of bandwidth but never get to use it.  You have the right to be called a criminal.  And you have the right, no the duty, to like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have the right to be throttled.  You have the right to buy lots of bandwidth but never get to use it.  You have the right to be called a criminal.  And you have the right, no the duty, to like it!</p>
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