Comcast No-Show at throttling hearing

p2pnet news | P2P:- Arrogantly, Comcast didn’t trouble itself to turn up at all at the FCC public net neutrality at Stanford University —-
—- which was more than passing strange given it was largely for the meeting being called in the first place.
There was a, “huge turnout” at a February hearing in Boston into the company’s traffic shaping practices when, said SavetheInternet.com, “Hundreds of concerned citizens arrived to speak out on the importance of an open Internet. Many took the day off from work - standing outside in the Boston cold - to see the FCC Commissioners.
But, “when they reach the door, they’re told they couldn’t come in.”
That was because Comcast had hired people to hog seating space, as it admitted.
This time around, Comcast wasn’t there to hear network and protocol expert Robb Topolski (right), who originally blew the whistle on the company’s P2P traffic throttling actions, give evidence.
Comcast Corporation and Pando Networks, “announced that they will lead the industry to create a ‘P2P Bill of Rights and Responsibilities’ for users and ISPs,” Topolski told p2pnet on Tuesday.
“With an FCC hearing on Comcast’s anti-peer-to-peer practices scheduled for later this week, this is hardly a surprise. Once again, Comcast makes another sweetheart-sounding deal, but at the wrong time, and with the wrong sweetheart.”
Consumers were harmed when Comcast, “decided it would do something secretive and non-standard on the Internet,” CNET News has Topolski saying, referring to the company’s use of, “so-called reset tags” to interfere with the transfer of large files from P2P applications such as BitTorrent.
“The situation continues today. It has not stopped, despite all the wonderful agreements between BitTorrent and Comcast,” said Topolski.
“I’m a ham radio operator. And Comcast is jamming authorized communication (on the Internet). I ask that before you leave today you signal your intent to stop these interferences.”
FCC commissioners, “were particularly curious about the experience of Topolski and other network-management experts during the panel on ISP practices,” says the story, going on >>>
At its hearing in February, Comcast representatives had said that it “delayed” traffic from BitTorrent at times of heavy network congestion. But Topolski and others refuted those claims Thursday, saying that Comcast lied on two accounts.
One expert panelist said it’s clear that Comcast is blocking, not delaying traffic, with the use of reset tags. “It’s like making a phone call and you get a busy signal. Unless you call again, (the connection) won’t happen,” said Jon Peha, associate director of the Center for Wireless and Broadband Networking and a Carnegie Mellon University professor.
“I know their technical statements are plain wrong,” said Peha. “The fact that at this stage of the game we still don’t know very much about what they do is interesting in itself.”
Network neutrality advocates, “pushed the commission to adopt specific regulations prohibiting the discrimination of traffic,” said the San Francisco Chronicle, continuing:
“Led by Stanford law Professor Lawrence Lessig, who introduced the first panel of speakers, open-Internet backers said the Web must remain free to ensure consumer choice and technological innovation, which could be hampered by allowing operators to pursue arbitrary traffic-shaping rules.”
But the commission appeared split, says the story.
Democrats Michael Copps and Jonathan Adelstein, “advocated a firm policy that describes which traffic shaping practices are unacceptable to the FCC.”
“It’s essential we maintain an open network,” the Chronicle has Adelstein saying. “It’s not only helpful for the economy but also for consumers, who have access to a wide array of services.”
Republican Commissioners Deborah Taylor Tate and Robert McDowell, however, “sounded a cautious note about relying too much on regulation, which they said may do more harm than good,” it said, adding:
“Both seemed hopeful that the private sector could resolve the problem without regulation, as Comcast is trying to do by recently signing agreements with peer-to-peer providers BitTorrent and Pando.”
In Canada, Bell Canada, the country’s largest ISP, is the focus of similar charges for similar reasons.
There, industry minister Jim Prentice told consumers it wasn’t up to the government to solve their Net throttling problems.
huge turnout - Comcast paid seat hogs in FCC hearing, February 27, 2008
p2pnet - Comcast P2P ‘Bill of Rights’ No! Really!, April 15, 2008
CNET News - Absent Comcast in hot seat at FCC hearing, April 17, 2008
San Francisco Chronicle - FCC hears net neutrality arguments at Stanford, April 18, 2008
Net throttling problems - 3rd protester joins Bell ‘anti-throttling’ club, April 17, 2008
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April 18th, 2008 at 6:11 am
I keep hearing about this…”bill of rights”…We really don’t need one…
ISP’s need to get it…..IT’S MY CONNECTION….I PAY FOR IT…IF IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE UNLIMITED…THEN IT SHOULD BE UNLIMITED. I WILL USE IT ANYWAY I WANT……
That means I will download as much as I want..when I want….and if they mess with it….I will take my hard earned money elsewhere…..
April 18th, 2008 at 7:45 am
Another post that wordpress has decided it can’t handle. No warning, no error, just doesn’t show up.
April 18th, 2008 at 8:24 am
^^ Sorry.
It may have been flagged as Spam. If it had two or more urls, that would have been the case. Give me a couple of words and I’ll try to find it.
Cheers!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Two Yes/No question the FCC should ask Comcast;
1. Can a P2P client upload or download faster than a user’s account normally allows?
2. Assuming the answer to the previous questionj was “no”; So Comcast is selling bandwidth that it can’t actually support?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:46 am
There were no urls. Since I posted it some time ago this morning, I have no idea what it was now. Other than I had “last mile” in the wording.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“Both seemed hopeful that the private sector could resolve the problem without regulation, as Comcast is trying to do by recently signing agreements with peer-to-peer providers BitTorrent and Pando.”
That’s not resolving the problem…that’s allowing ISPs to make agreements outside of the control of the paying customers. That’s exactly the problem we want eliminated.
ISPs in the US have gotten off easy by providing less bandwidth and lower speeds at higher prices than most other major (and some significantly smaller) countries of the world. They need to either charge less or upgrade their systems.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
The future demands for bandwidth are going to increase, and the amount of normal data traffic for an average user is going to increase.
With sites like Hulu, and other streaming applications, the bandwidth required to increase the resolution of “on demand media” is going to put a heavy load, comparable to p2p traffic, on the internet as a whole.
The average “web page” is significantly more bandwidth hungry today, than they were 10 years ago.
I see no future for an ISP that refuses to grow with the technology, but instead tries to fight it. It strikes me as the same losing battle that the RIAA is trying to fight vs. technological advancement.
May 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
As a tormented Comcast user - one that is not using P2P at all these days mind you - I find their traffic flow software to be garbage and have effected my online gaming to the point I’m seeking a new ISP.
I pay for 10mb/1mb line - I should be able to download 10mb 24/7 while uploading 1mb 24/7 and what I send/receive is none of their business for my “unlimited” line.
They claim their connection is stable - Lord, they really should try using their own product if they believe that.
I have really low snr and my ping rates are sub20ms along my route - other users in my gaming community connecting to the same server I do have no problems; however, interestingly, several of us all using Comcast across different parts of the US all drop off and disconnect from the server at the same instance some days - its quite hilarious as I tell everyone NOT to use Comcast as anything more than a glorified web browsing ISP….