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	<title>Comments on: Bell throttling fairy tale, unravelled</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-430041</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apples with apples, the wholesaler has the same budget to do the same things.

After they pay Bell 21$ per customer out of the 30$ they charge per customer, the wholesalers are making ends meet with support, marketing and so forth.

So lets cancel that out and look at the numbers.

These Central offices has been in operation for 10-years if not more. thats means 400-million dollars for the past 9+ years.

Also, 21$ per every customer the wholesaler has every month for the past 10 years. another OVER 100-million dollars there.

Does teksavvy have the same costs? No, they have about 10-15$ per customer and they have to pay everything with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apples with apples, the wholesaler has the same budget to do the same things.</p>
<p>After they pay Bell 21$ per customer out of the 30$ they charge per customer, the wholesalers are making ends meet with support, marketing and so forth.</p>
<p>So lets cancel that out and look at the numbers.</p>
<p>These Central offices has been in operation for 10-years if not more. thats means 400-million dollars for the past 9+ years.</p>
<p>Also, 21$ per every customer the wholesaler has every month for the past 10 years. another OVER 100-million dollars there.</p>
<p>Does teksavvy have the same costs? No, they have about 10-15$ per customer and they have to pay everything with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnycanuk</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-427594</link>
		<author>Johnnycanuk</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-427594</guid>
		<description>Given that your gross profit numbers are all based on hardware, where do you factor in all the other costs such as billing, technical support, sales, marketing, regulatory compliance, etc?  I know I will probably get bombarded with comments about how a lot of that is not worth too much, but they are still costs.  If you are going to put a monthly rate in your calculations, make sure it includes all the variables.  I am sure TekSavvy has all the same costs and their profits margins are slim, but existant (I hope for them!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that your gross profit numbers are all based on hardware, where do you factor in all the other costs such as billing, technical support, sales, marketing, regulatory compliance, etc?  I know I will probably get bombarded with comments about how a lot of that is not worth too much, but they are still costs.  If you are going to put a monthly rate in your calculations, make sure it includes all the variables.  I am sure TekSavvy has all the same costs and their profits margins are slim, but existant (I hope for them!).</p>
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		<title>By: MeetMe@Bell-ItIsGoingDown</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-426275</link>
		<author>MeetMe@Bell-ItIsGoingDown</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-426275</guid>
		<description>Another example of how our "old, grey, and behind the times of technology" government has this last on their list of concerns, I doubt our government can even see how important fixing this problem is. Greedy monopolistic corporations such as bell canada and rogers will swindle you until there is change in the government, talk about legalized robbery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of how our &#8220;old, grey, and behind the times of technology&#8221; government has this last on their list of concerns, I doubt our government can even see how important fixing this problem is. Greedy monopolistic corporations such as bell canada and rogers will swindle you until there is change in the government, talk about legalized robbery.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-425850</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15678#comment-425850</guid>
		<description>According to an article over at ARS technia, AT&#38;T spent an amount equal to what it would have cost to upgrade every last mile connection in the nation. Only they didn't spend it on upgrade, they spent it on merger mania. The problem with Bell for our northern neighbors is not quite our problem yet and if we are lucky enough that Comcast gets it's tail in a crack over their management practices, lack of transparency, and other shenanigans, it may be we won't see this one crop up. I would lay no money on it at this time. 

So like the Bell corp in the north, the other Bell to the south is raising all kinds of FUD about the lack of capacity for future handling of bandwidth. Sounds to me like they are gearing up to either ask for some more swill from the government to "assist" in infrastructure improvements or justification to charge the customer more to pay for it. If they can't get those two options then figuring a way to get the customer to pay more for the same resources is not out of the question as another option for them to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to an article over at ARS technia, AT&amp;T spent an amount equal to what it would have cost to upgrade every last mile connection in the nation. Only they didn&#8217;t spend it on upgrade, they spent it on merger mania. The problem with Bell for our northern neighbors is not quite our problem yet and if we are lucky enough that Comcast gets it&#8217;s tail in a crack over their management practices, lack of transparency, and other shenanigans, it may be we won&#8217;t see this one crop up. I would lay no money on it at this time. </p>
<p>So like the Bell corp in the north, the other Bell to the south is raising all kinds of FUD about the lack of capacity for future handling of bandwidth. Sounds to me like they are gearing up to either ask for some more swill from the government to &#8220;assist&#8221; in infrastructure improvements or justification to charge the customer more to pay for it. If they can&#8217;t get those two options then figuring a way to get the customer to pay more for the same resources is not out of the question as another option for them to try.</p>
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