Comments on: p2pnet talks to Charlie Angus on throttling http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:54:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ottawa Gal http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-431840 Ottawa Gal Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:35:08 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-431840 @Johnnycanuk, I agree with one point you made, but not the other. Someone "latching on to something" wouldn't have stated the points he made. They were sharp, researched, and beyond the answers that I expected. Charlie has an obvious grasp (better than I) on the situation, including costs. Someone "latching on" wouldn't have made the keen find he did on the Sympatico music site. Someone "latching on" wouldn't equate "pirate-ware" as becoming mainstream and an innovative distribution technology that it is (as the CBC used it for content distribution). Someone "latching on" also wouldn't see this as affecting the costs to the average Canadian (and also make the correct correlation and point about the Cellular B/W charges as he did). Sorry, But I don't see his answers as, "latching on to something so he can get up on his soap box". They were well thought, formulated and presented. Its clear he is well versed on the matter and has a clear and keen vision/understanding of it. So I have to disagree with you on that point. But, I do agree with you on the privacy point you made. Something that wasn't touched on. My fault. Seeing that Charlie is also "a Canadian writer, broadcaster and musician" it would be interesting to maybe one day hear his side of the upcoming copyright reform.... hmmm :) @Johnnycanuk,

I agree with one point you made, but not the other.

Someone “latching on to something” wouldn’t have stated the points he made.

They were sharp, researched, and beyond the answers that I expected.

Charlie has an obvious grasp (better than I) on the situation, including costs.

Someone “latching on” wouldn’t have made the keen find he did on the Sympatico music site.

Someone “latching on” wouldn’t equate “pirate-ware” as becoming mainstream and an innovative distribution technology that it is (as the CBC used it for content distribution).

Someone “latching on” also wouldn’t see this as affecting the costs to the average Canadian (and also make the correct correlation and point about the Cellular B/W charges as he did).

Sorry, But I don’t see his answers as, “latching on to something so he can get up on his soap box”.

They were well thought, formulated and presented. Its clear he is well versed on the matter and has a clear and keen vision/understanding of it.

So I have to disagree with you on that point.

But, I do agree with you on the privacy point you made. Something that wasn’t touched on. My fault.

Seeing that Charlie is also “a Canadian writer, broadcaster and musician” it would be interesting to maybe one day hear his side of the upcoming copyright reform…. hmmm
:)

]]> By: Johnnycanuk http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-431092 Johnnycanuk Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:00:39 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-431092 Charlie has a few too many ifs and maybes to sell me on his position. He just sounds like a politician who is latching on to something so he can get up on his soap box. Unfortunately, I don't see any real concerns about privacy. Throttling is not about content, it's about traffic type. You could be sharing pictures with your family or downloading pr0n. Bell or any other ISP for that matter doesn't care. So, where is the privacy issue? With what they could, might, think of doing? I own knives. Should I be arrested because I could, potentially, maybe kill someone? My example is a gross exaggeration, but it is simply to prove a point... Charlie has a few too many ifs and maybes to sell me on his position. He just sounds like a politician who is latching on to something so he can get up on his soap box. Unfortunately, I don’t see any real concerns about privacy. Throttling is not about content, it’s about traffic type. You could be sharing pictures with your family or downloading pr0n. Bell or any other ISP for that matter doesn’t care. So, where is the privacy issue? With what they could, might, think of doing? I own knives. Should I be arrested because I could, potentially, maybe kill someone? My example is a gross exaggeration, but it is simply to prove a point…

]]> By: Toronto Chris http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-429900 Toronto Chris Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:55:19 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-429900 Good for you Charlie. It's totally refreshing to see a politician engage in this type of direct-to-citizen discussion...not to mention that you're the only MP and/or party in Ottawa that seems to be on the right side of the issue! Good for you Charlie. It’s totally refreshing to see a politician engage in this type of direct-to-citizen discussion…not to mention that you’re the only MP and/or party in Ottawa that seems to be on the right side of the issue!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-429824 Reader's Write Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:24:44 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-429824 Charlie made a GREAT catch! "It’s interesting that at the same time that Bell is telling the consumer that the days of unlimited downloading is over, it is also trying to sell consumers on unlimited downloading for a monthly fee( http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMMS_subscriptionlanding_2B&oid=adc_banner ). Questions are also being raised as to whether the cleared bandwidth space from throttling will be filled by video streaming from the major telecoms. Bell wants you to download mucis THEIR way, unlimited. "However, it’s incumbent upon the CRTC to lay down clear rules for both ISP providers and the consumer, so that everyone is working from the same playbook. In the absence of such a set of rules, the internet will become a world of a few corporate winners (the giant telecoms and the entertainment industries who pay for high speed service). The losers will be customers, 3rd party ISPs and Canada’s innovation agenda." This needs to be included in the CAIP filing! There are no "clear rules". I think all his answer touch on what the CRTC has to consider. This should be handed to the CRTC. Great article. Thanks for the time you spent Mr. Angus. Thanks for making it happen Jon. two thumb up! Charlie made a GREAT catch!

“It’s interesting that at the same time that Bell is telling the consumer that the days of unlimited downloading is over, it is also trying to sell consumers on unlimited downloading for a monthly fee( http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMMS_subscriptionlanding_2B&oid=adc_banner ). Questions are also being raised as to whether the cleared bandwidth space from throttling will be filled by video streaming from the major telecoms.

Bell wants you to download mucis THEIR way, unlimited.

“However, it’s incumbent upon the CRTC to lay down clear rules for both ISP providers and the consumer, so that everyone is working from the same playbook. In the absence of such a set of rules, the internet will become a world of a few corporate winners (the giant telecoms and the entertainment industries who pay for high speed service). The losers will be customers, 3rd party ISPs and Canada’s innovation agenda.”

This needs to be included in the CAIP filing! There are no “clear rules”.

I think all his answer touch on what the CRTC has to consider.

This should be handed to the CRTC.

Great article.

Thanks for the time you spent Mr. Angus.

Thanks for making it happen Jon.

two thumb up!

]]> By: Ottawa Gal http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-429802 Ottawa Gal Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:05:57 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-429802 <p>For those interested, these are the references on the Bell court filing to eliminate access:<br /> http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2008/dt2008-17.htm<br /> http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/04/02/tech-bell.html</p> For those interested, these are the references on the Bell court filing to eliminate access:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2008/dt2008-17.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/04/02/tech-bell.html

]]> By: Morganlefay http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-429749 Morganlefay Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:46:41 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-429749 One thing for sure....he has more of a grip on the situation then the majority of politicians in the understanding that this is about content control and how large corporations want to turn the internet into the 21st century version of cable TV. The other issue is....P2P is not the biggest bandwidth hog...its video streaming over good old http....is that the next protocol to be "managed" ?? One thing for sure….he has more of a grip on the situation then the majority of politicians in the understanding that this is about content control and how large corporations want to turn the internet into the 21st century version of cable TV.

The other issue is….P2P is not the biggest bandwidth hog…its video streaming over good old http….is that the next protocol to be “managed” ??

]]> By: Rocky http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705/comment-page-1#comment-429690 Rocky Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:47:44 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15705#comment-429690 One major thing to consider is much of this battle has been confused by the word "Internet"... Bell isn't selling ISPs internet, they are selling ISPs a regulated back-end connection.... One major thing to consider is much of this battle has been confused by the word “Internet”… Bell isn’t selling ISPs internet, they are selling ISPs a regulated back-end connection….

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