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		<title>By: Fred Wilhelms</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-927124</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Wilhelms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

It&#039;s my guess that your recordings haven&#039;t shown up in the samples SoundExchange relies on to make distributions, or it is possible that they have and the SoundExchange folks responsible for crediting you can&#039;t identify you as the artist.  

They&#039;ve made a point of not telling anyone that they sample, or how they do it.  After a year of promises to me that SoundExchange would explain the sampling process to me, John Simson decided it was better if they simply updated the website FAQ to explain the process.  That was last spring, and there still is nothing new there to explain.  In fact, the website still makes it sound like you will get paid if your recordings are played once.   

You&#039;re the victim of another SoundExchange dirty little secret.  You and tens of thousands of other artists.  

Fred Wilhelms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my guess that your recordings haven&#8217;t shown up in the samples SoundExchange relies on to make distributions, or it is possible that they have and the SoundExchange folks responsible for crediting you can&#8217;t identify you as the artist.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve made a point of not telling anyone that they sample, or how they do it.  After a year of promises to me that SoundExchange would explain the sampling process to me, John Simson decided it was better if they simply updated the website FAQ to explain the process.  That was last spring, and there still is nothing new there to explain.  In fact, the website still makes it sound like you will get paid if your recordings are played once.   </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the victim of another SoundExchange dirty little secret.  You and tens of thousands of other artists.  </p>
<p>Fred Wilhelms</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lauter</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-926753</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lauter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find it interesting to do searches or my name on the internet.  I found today several people selling my music unauthorized, even some as collectors items, rare trance music, using them as soundtracks to videos, etc, and yes, Sound Exchange,  I was contacted by them, a few years ago, signed up, never have received a penny from them.  What&#039;s up with that?  I guess music is free? hmm..

dl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find it interesting to do searches or my name on the internet.  I found today several people selling my music unauthorized, even some as collectors items, rare trance music, using them as soundtracks to videos, etc, and yes, Sound Exchange,  I was contacted by them, a few years ago, signed up, never have received a penny from them.  What&#8217;s up with that?  I guess music is free? hmm..</p>
<p>dl</p>
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		<title>By: Arnaldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnaldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Goog job. I could do this easily, on my own, for every artist.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goog job. I could do this easily, on my own, for every artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stapleton</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-494519</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Stapleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to you question: Does anyone know how to reach these artists? - I know Big Kat Kaylor and will be seeing him in the next few days. I produced his CD &quot;Scattered&quot; in 1998 and wrote the majority of the songs on it. Let me know how I can help you connect.
Robert Stapleton
intunetown@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to you question: Does anyone know how to reach these artists? &#8211; I know Big Kat Kaylor and will be seeing him in the next few days. I produced his CD &#8220;Scattered&#8221; in 1998 and wrote the majority of the songs on it. Let me know how I can help you connect.<br />
Robert Stapleton<br />
<a href="mailto:intunetown@aol.com">intunetown@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alter_Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alter_Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie Freelance

Since the comment system here does not allow for email notification of commenters when a new one is posted, I doubt that &quot;artist angel&quot; lawyer Fred W. will see your post and get you an answer.
you might want to contact him directly;

Fred Wilhelms - p2pnet
[If the corporate music industry had any ethics, Wilhelms would be its ‘ethicist-in-chief,’ wrote CounterPunch’s Dave Marsh. Wilhelms is an entertainment attorney based in Nashville, Tennessee. You can contact him at fred.wilhelms @ gmail dot com.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie Freelance</p>
<p>Since the comment system here does not allow for email notification of commenters when a new one is posted, I doubt that &#8220;artist angel&#8221; lawyer Fred W. will see your post and get you an answer.<br />
you might want to contact him directly;</p>
<p>Fred Wilhelms &#8211; p2pnet<br />
[If the corporate music industry had any ethics, Wilhelms would be its ‘ethicist-in-chief,’ wrote CounterPunch’s Dave Marsh. Wilhelms is an entertainment attorney based in Nashville, Tennessee. You can contact him at fred.wilhelms @ gmail dot com.]</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie Freelance</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-450693</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie Freelance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a question posed to me by a representative of a member of Oaktown Irawa: If the member of the group is registered with SoundExchange, and his record label is registered, too, does he have to register separately as a member of the group?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a question posed to me by a representative of a member of Oaktown Irawa: If the member of the group is registered with SoundExchange, and his record label is registered, too, does he have to register separately as a member of the group?</p>
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		<title>By: alant</title>
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		<dc:creator>alant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Mix-A-Lot is on this list? HOW THE F*CK CAN YOU NOT FIND SIR MIX-A-LOT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Mix-A-Lot is on this list? HOW THE F*CK CAN YOU NOT FIND SIR MIX-A-LOT?</p>
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		<title>By: JD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went and contacted 15 of the names -  using email and myspace PMs -  hopefully they will get their money.....

it would be great to hear about artists who actually get their money and thank the very people whom the riaa and mpaa are bent on blaming everything on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went and contacted 15 of the names &#8211;  using email and myspace PMs &#8211;  hopefully they will get their money&#8230;..</p>
<p>it would be great to hear about artists who actually get their money and thank the very people whom the riaa and mpaa are bent on blaming everything on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-439596</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we have this same problem in Canada? Is it SOCAN who performs this same function?
I see some Canadian artists on the list, like April Wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we have this same problem in Canada? Is it SOCAN who performs this same function?<br />
I see some Canadian artists on the list, like April Wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-439523</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who are RIAA drones can be found. Those who are not RIAA drone will not be found!

This is that&#039;s simple folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who are RIAA drones can be found. Those who are not RIAA drone will not be found!</p>
<p>This is that&#8217;s simple folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Alter_Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-439380</link>
		<dc:creator>Alter_Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hans Knees

ja, it seems the site which is marked as (c)2008 Capitol Music Germany
(that&#039;s EMI!) does not even allow to READ forum entries other then the
title if you are not a member

http://www.pur.de/forum_thread.php?topic_id=12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hans Knees</p>
<p>ja, it seems the site which is marked as (c)2008 Capitol Music Germany<br />
(that&#8217;s EMI!) does not even allow to READ forum entries other then the<br />
title if you are not a member</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pur.de/forum_thread.php?topic_id=12" rel="nofollow">http://www.pur.de/forum_thread.php?topic_id=12</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-439356</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; JD2 -  used google on a random sample of names and found all of them - either a website or a way to contact them. &quot;

&quot; Hans Knees - I too grabbed a few of the names and plugged them into google.
Not only did I find actual band pages for some, but also biography info, band member names, connected artists (gigged together) and so much other useful info. &quot;

 If everyone who does this leaves a note for the band and a link to this 
 article, it would be doing some artists ( who would otherwise be screwed out
 of what is theirs ) a big favor, and at the same time show just what the netizens
 can do.

 Let operation &quot; Show Me The Money &quot; begin ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; JD2 &#8211;  used google on a random sample of names and found all of them &#8211; either a website or a way to contact them. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; Hans Knees &#8211; I too grabbed a few of the names and plugged them into google.<br />
Not only did I find actual band pages for some, but also biography info, band member names, connected artists (gigged together) and so much other useful info. &#8221;</p>
<p> If everyone who does this leaves a note for the band and a link to this<br />
 article, it would be doing some artists ( who would otherwise be screwed out<br />
 of what is theirs ) a big favor, and at the same time show just what the netizens<br />
 can do.</p>
<p> Let operation &#8221; Show Me The Money &#8221; begin <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: alant</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438635</link>
		<dc:creator>alant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can&#039;t find Quicksand? Urge Overkill? The X-ecutioners?

Listen, SoundExchange - I&#039;ve managed cheap workers. Real bad ones. Interns. Temps. H1B&#039;s.  Bad, stoned, hungover people who never should have been employed, anywhere. But even the most god-awful, horrible, worthless examples of that crop could handle this job. And you, with your millions of dollars, can&#039;t. 

Speaks volumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t find Quicksand? Urge Overkill? The X-ecutioners?</p>
<p>Listen, SoundExchange &#8211; I&#8217;ve managed cheap workers. Real bad ones. Interns. Temps. H1B&#8217;s.  Bad, stoned, hungover people who never should have been employed, anywhere. But even the most god-awful, horrible, worthless examples of that crop could handle this job. And you, with your millions of dollars, can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Speaks volumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Knees</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438359</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: lazy barstewards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: lazy barstewards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Knees</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438357</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PUR link no work.
I too grabbed a few of the names and plugged them into google.
Not only did I find actual band pages for some, but also biography info, band member names, connected artists (gigged together) and so much other useful info.

I need a job. 
I could do this easily, on my own, and still meet the 3 year deadline for every artist ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PUR link no work.<br />
I too grabbed a few of the names and plugged them into google.<br />
Not only did I find actual band pages for some, but also biography info, band member names, connected artists (gigged together) and so much other useful info.</p>
<p>I need a job.<br />
I could do this easily, on my own, and still meet the 3 year deadline for every artist <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alter_Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438238</link>
		<dc:creator>Alter_Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>left a message in the PUR fan forum section (german)

http://www.pur.de/forum_reply.php?topic_id=12&amp;thread_id=30085</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>left a message in the PUR fan forum section (german)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pur.de/forum_reply.php?topic_id=12&amp;thread_id=30085" rel="nofollow">http://www.pur.de/forum_reply.php?topic_id=12&amp;thread_id=30085</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438163</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD2,

In recent months, I&#039;ve found a number of artists through MySpace and Facebook, too.  They&#039;ve all signed up since then.  

What we used to think about in terms of &quot;six degrees of separation&quot; has now been cut in half by the Internet.  SoundExchange&#039;s dismal failure to use the tools at its disposal is explainable only in terms of their real goals; they don&#039;t want to find artists because they will have to pay them.  If we do the job they refuse to do and make them pay the artists they don&#039;t want to, we will expose their excuses as the fabrications they are.  

I have no real hope that we can embarrass them into better performance.  The executives and Directors are constitutionally incapable of shame.  Even the so-called &quot;artist representatives&quot; on the Board of Directors are accountable for their positions to the RIAA, and the silence of those &quot;artist representatives&quot; about SoundExchange&#039;s incompetence or willful indifference is an open indictment of their complicity.  

Perhaps the best we can hope to accomplish is that, if there is ever a performance royalty established for terrestrial radio, the collection and distribution work is given over to an organization that isn&#039;t under the thumb of the record industry and which is truly accountable to artists.  We need to make an object lesson of SoundExchange, one that Congress cannot ignore (despite the millions in artist royalties diverted to lobbying), to avoid repeating that mistake.  

It took SoundExchange six years to publicly admit on their website that recording artists cannot be &quot;members.&quot;  That privilege is limited to copyright holders (usually, the labels).  We can see the results of leaving the welfare of artists to an organization that gives lip service about &quot;loving and respecting&quot; artists, but won&#039;t let them sit at the adult table when it comes to deciding what is good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD2,</p>
<p>In recent months, I&#8217;ve found a number of artists through MySpace and Facebook, too.  They&#8217;ve all signed up since then.  </p>
<p>What we used to think about in terms of &#8220;six degrees of separation&#8221; has now been cut in half by the Internet.  SoundExchange&#8217;s dismal failure to use the tools at its disposal is explainable only in terms of their real goals; they don&#8217;t want to find artists because they will have to pay them.  If we do the job they refuse to do and make them pay the artists they don&#8217;t want to, we will expose their excuses as the fabrications they are.  </p>
<p>I have no real hope that we can embarrass them into better performance.  The executives and Directors are constitutionally incapable of shame.  Even the so-called &#8220;artist representatives&#8221; on the Board of Directors are accountable for their positions to the RIAA, and the silence of those &#8220;artist representatives&#8221; about SoundExchange&#8217;s incompetence or willful indifference is an open indictment of their complicity.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the best we can hope to accomplish is that, if there is ever a performance royalty established for terrestrial radio, the collection and distribution work is given over to an organization that isn&#8217;t under the thumb of the record industry and which is truly accountable to artists.  We need to make an object lesson of SoundExchange, one that Congress cannot ignore (despite the millions in artist royalties diverted to lobbying), to avoid repeating that mistake.  </p>
<p>It took SoundExchange six years to publicly admit on their website that recording artists cannot be &#8220;members.&#8221;  That privilege is limited to copyright holders (usually, the labels).  We can see the results of leaving the welfare of artists to an organization that gives lip service about &#8220;loving and respecting&#8221; artists, but won&#8217;t let them sit at the adult table when it comes to deciding what is good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438143</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve checked the SoundExchange website for updated information.  According to their own tally, they&#039;ve managed to remove TWO names from this list since I compiled  this list three weeks ago.  If they keep up this breakneck pace, they will find all 7,874 artists on their &quot;unfound&quot; list sometime in January, 2267.  For the 40,000 artists Simson admits they cannot find, the best current target date for finding all of them is early in 3323.  

My bet is they still won&#039;t know who AFKAP is by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve checked the SoundExchange website for updated information.  According to their own tally, they&#8217;ve managed to remove TWO names from this list since I compiled  this list three weeks ago.  If they keep up this breakneck pace, they will find all 7,874 artists on their &#8220;unfound&#8221; list sometime in January, 2267.  For the 40,000 artists Simson admits they cannot find, the best current target date for finding all of them is early in 3323.  </p>
<p>My bet is they still won&#8217;t know who AFKAP is by then.</p>
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		<title>By: JD2</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15755/comment-page-1#comment-438137</link>
		<dc:creator>JD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used google on a random sample of names and found all of them - either a website or a way to contact them.   This soundexcrement doesnt want to locate these people - it keeps the money for themselves - talk about a scam -  these people who are getting sued for file sharing need to use this defense -  but your honor I couldn&#039;t locate any of the artist whose songs i was downloading - honest, they wouldnt return my calls, so i couldnt pay them....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used google on a random sample of names and found all of them &#8211; either a website or a way to contact them.   This soundexcrement doesnt want to locate these people &#8211; it keeps the money for themselves &#8211; talk about a scam &#8211;  these people who are getting sued for file sharing need to use this defense &#8211;  but your honor I couldn&#8217;t locate any of the artist whose songs i was downloading &#8211; honest, they wouldnt return my calls, so i couldnt pay them&#8230;.</p>
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