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	<title>Comments on: EULA for crooks!</title>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-444133</link>
		<author>Rekrul</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intentional or not, this post makes it sound as if Symantec is promoting EULAs for malware. They're only reporting what they found in a piece of malware. From reading the linked page I get the distinct impression that Symantec finds the whole idea as ridiculous as we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intentional or not, this post makes it sound as if Symantec is promoting EULAs for malware. They&#8217;re only reporting what they found in a piece of malware. From reading the linked page I get the distinct impression that Symantec finds the whole idea as ridiculous as we do.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-442200</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-442200</guid>
		<description>from what I understand 
Its one of those toolkits that makes it easy for clicky di click windows users to create their own trojan and binds it for example to a legitimate file.
so this software will "steal" the computer [as in MS Rule one "it's not your computer anymore"] from its rightful owners and make it controlable over the net to do what ever the new owner want to do with the PC.

For example Rent it to viagra sellers for sending out spam mails, have the PC paritcipate in a distributed denial of service attack or simply harvest information from the stolen PC like credit card infos passwords and stuff like that.

If you will the software is a VNC solution "programmed for todays demands" ;-)

Me asked for a clean copy not to do bad stuff!
I'm not capable of writing some demonstration stuff for the "internet for beginners starting at 60+" class I teach in the VHS and bind it with some harmless features to some usefull software to demonstrate them live on their machines why it is extremely BAD! to run anything you get via mail or IM and not from an official site.

so far I did it with an selfrunning server version of true vnc and the results when they see their content on my demonstration machine is overwhelming and they get the idea, but some are still claiming 
"but fritz, I would never run such a software, I only run stuff that really does what it says it does" so I need the ability to combine 2 programs together that will get not detected by AV (some still claim since they run AV they are absolutely safe and can switch off theri brain when clicking) [I guess real teachers of younger students know the feeling when you have to deal with some among them that are plain nonunderstanding idiots that simply do NOT WANT to understand a topic?!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from what I understand<br />
Its one of those toolkits that makes it easy for clicky di click windows users to create their own trojan and binds it for example to a legitimate file.<br />
so this software will &#8220;steal&#8221; the computer [as in MS Rule one &#8220;it&#8217;s not your computer anymore&#8221;] from its rightful owners and make it controlable over the net to do what ever the new owner want to do with the PC.</p>
<p>For example Rent it to viagra sellers for sending out spam mails, have the PC paritcipate in a distributed denial of service attack or simply harvest information from the stolen PC like credit card infos passwords and stuff like that.</p>
<p>If you will the software is a VNC solution &#8220;programmed for todays demands&#8221; <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Me asked for a clean copy not to do bad stuff!<br />
I&#8217;m not capable of writing some demonstration stuff for the &#8220;internet for beginners starting at 60+&#8221; class I teach in the VHS and bind it with some harmless features to some usefull software to demonstrate them live on their machines why it is extremely BAD! to run anything you get via mail or IM and not from an official site.</p>
<p>so far I did it with an selfrunning server version of true vnc and the results when they see their content on my demonstration machine is overwhelming and they get the idea, but some are still claiming<br />
&#8220;but fritz, I would never run such a software, I only run stuff that really does what it says it does&#8221; so I need the ability to combine 2 programs together that will get not detected by AV (some still claim since they run AV they are absolutely safe and can switch off theri brain when clicking) [I guess real teachers of younger students know the feeling when you have to deal with some among them that are plain nonunderstanding idiots that simply do NOT WANT to understand a topic?!]</p>
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		<title>By: Stray Mongrel</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-441888</link>
		<author>Stray Mongrel</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-441888</guid>
		<description>What does the software actually do, when used as intended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does the software actually do, when used as intended?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-440731</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15774#comment-440731</guid>
		<description>so where can I "steal" a clean version that will not fuck up my own system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so where can I &#8220;steal&#8221; a clean version that will not fuck up my own system?</p>
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