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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;We&#8217;re all musicians trying to make a living&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-450703</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-450703</guid>
		<description>Now that they are losing the legal battles; this is just another spin doctor trying to make them out to be altruistic and lovable entities that are fighting for the rights and profits of musicians around the world!!!

Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that they are losing the legal battles; this is just another spin doctor trying to make them out to be altruistic and lovable entities that are fighting for the rights and profits of musicians around the world!!!</p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-449917</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-449917</guid>
		<description>^^ Seconded. I want reimbursement also for the wasted bandwidth from all their illegal interference, fake files, and viruses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Seconded. I want reimbursement also for the wasted bandwidth from all their illegal interference, fake files, and viruses.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-449898</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-449898</guid>
		<description>I believe ideally the Internet should be free to all. As it is now, a large percentage cannot even afford it, and many others have slow service. Already the cartels besides suing everyone, have their grubby fingers in everyone's pie, wanting their piece. Even from blank disks they get a piece. We also pay tax on them (and everything) We pay tax on bills.

"When ISPs realize there's money to be made on the biggest users"? They already do that. Why should we pay extra for what we already pay for? You mean YOU want it. "Hassle people enough and they'll pay" eh? You think so really? We'll see then won't we? I refuse to pay you a red cent, and never will. In fact I'll guarantee it. I'll make it part of my life's agenda to resist and ignore you. But spend all your days plugging away if you like. Who knows ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe ideally the Internet should be free to all. As it is now, a large percentage cannot even afford it, and many others have slow service. Already the cartels besides suing everyone, have their grubby fingers in everyone&#8217;s pie, wanting their piece. Even from blank disks they get a piece. We also pay tax on them (and everything) We pay tax on bills.</p>
<p>&#8220;When ISPs realize there&#8217;s money to be made on the biggest users&#8221;? They already do that. Why should we pay extra for what we already pay for? You mean YOU want it. &#8220;Hassle people enough and they&#8217;ll pay&#8221; eh? You think so really? We&#8217;ll see then won&#8217;t we? I refuse to pay you a red cent, and never will. In fact I&#8217;ll guarantee it. I&#8217;ll make it part of my life&#8217;s agenda to resist and ignore you. But spend all your days plugging away if you like. Who knows ..</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448843</link>
		<author>Rafael Venegas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448843</guid>
		<description>"In an ideal world, where everyone is honest and be counted on to do the ‘right’
thing, this could work."

If the actual system were a sociialist one and it didn't work either and someone proposed a more private system, the sane words as quoted above would apply too.

And just because we don't live in a ideal world should we privatize the courts and the police?

I say that regardless of the human imperfections that affect the private and pblic sectors equally, whatever system is chosen has to be as ideal as possible. My proposals are based on the ideal system as I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In an ideal world, where everyone is honest and be counted on to do the ‘right’<br />
thing, this could work.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the actual system were a sociialist one and it didn&#8217;t work either and someone proposed a more private system, the sane words as quoted above would apply too.</p>
<p>And just because we don&#8217;t live in a ideal world should we privatize the courts and the police?</p>
<p>I say that regardless of the human imperfections that affect the private and pblic sectors equally, whatever system is chosen has to be as ideal as possible. My proposals are based on the ideal system as I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448637</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448637</guid>
		<description>If something like this DOES get in, they're not getting one cent of my money until they pay back all of the money THEY owe ME in subsidies taken for CD-R blanks that I didn't use for music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something like this DOES get in, they&#8217;re not getting one cent of my money until they pay back all of the money THEY owe ME in subsidies taken for CD-R blanks that I didn&#8217;t use for music.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448470</link>
		<author>Dreddsnik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448470</guid>
		<description>" Why not finance the artists such as songwriters, musicians, poets, writers) with tax money. Just put the artists with proven talent in the Arts Department payroll or pay them for their time and/or the works they produce, which would then enter the public domain. "

 You're talking of a system very close to socialism, which is a dirty word to many
 people.
 In an ideal world, where everyone is honest and be counted on to do the 'right'
 thing, this could work.

 However, this is not an ideal world, and you can COUNT on someone abusing such a
 system.

 I don't have an answer either, Rafael, but rest assured ... no reasonable solution
 will ever be accepted by the RIAA members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Why not finance the artists such as songwriters, musicians, poets, writers) with tax money. Just put the artists with proven talent in the Arts Department payroll or pay them for their time and/or the works they produce, which would then enter the public domain. &#8221;</p>
<p> You&#8217;re talking of a system very close to socialism, which is a dirty word to many<br />
 people.<br />
 In an ideal world, where everyone is honest and be counted on to do the &#8216;right&#8217;<br />
 thing, this could work.</p>
<p> However, this is not an ideal world, and you can COUNT on someone abusing such a<br />
 system.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t have an answer either, Rafael, but rest assured &#8230; no reasonable solution<br />
 will ever be accepted by the RIAA members.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448274</link>
		<author>Rafael Venegas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 12:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-448274</guid>
		<description>How much can YOU pay for internet access?

Thoroughout the world people finance eductation, health. security. transporation, museums, etc. through public general taxes. Tax money is used to pay the policeman, the teacher, the soldier, construction workers, doctors, lawyers. etc.

Why not finance the artists such as songwriters, musicians, poets, writers) with tax money. Just put the artists with proven talent in the Arts Department payroll or pay them for their time and/or the works they produce, which would then enter the public domain. The same artists and the rest can still make money by charging for their performances and and products they may sell. This would do away with copyright, copying restrictions and all the racketeering in between. Then the arts will flourish again. Has no one noticed that most all the great works of art and architecture were done when the copyright word and concept and art racketeering did not exist.  
RV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much can YOU pay for internet access?</p>
<p>Thoroughout the world people finance eductation, health. security. transporation, museums, etc. through public general taxes. Tax money is used to pay the policeman, the teacher, the soldier, construction workers, doctors, lawyers. etc.</p>
<p>Why not finance the artists such as songwriters, musicians, poets, writers) with tax money. Just put the artists with proven talent in the Arts Department payroll or pay them for their time and/or the works they produce, which would then enter the public domain. The same artists and the rest can still make money by charging for their performances and and products they may sell. This would do away with copyright, copying restrictions and all the racketeering in between. Then the arts will flourish again. Has no one noticed that most all the great works of art and architecture were done when the copyright word and concept and art racketeering did not exist.<br />
RV</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447581</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447581</guid>
		<description>" I would pay a monthly royalty fee for legal p2p services, if I could be assured that the actual artists I downloaded would be the ones that got paid by my particular fees, and not a “Corporate Soup”. "

 You will never get that assurance .. ever.

 That's why they want blanket licensing under THEIR terms.

 Besides, let them have it and who's next ?
 The photography industry ?
 Software publishers ?
 Book publishers ?

 The list of those in line for a similar hand out is endless.

 How much can YOU pay for internet access ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I would pay a monthly royalty fee for legal p2p services, if I could be assured that the actual artists I downloaded would be the ones that got paid by my particular fees, and not a “Corporate Soup”. &#8221;</p>
<p> You will never get that assurance .. ever.</p>
<p> That&#8217;s why they want blanket licensing under THEIR terms.</p>
<p> Besides, let them have it and who&#8217;s next ?<br />
 The photography industry ?<br />
 Software publishers ?<br />
 Book publishers ?</p>
<p> The list of those in line for a similar hand out is endless.</p>
<p> How much can YOU pay for internet access ?</p>
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		<title>By: Stray Mongrel</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447304</link>
		<author>Stray Mongrel</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447304</guid>
		<description>I would pay a monthly royalty fee for legal p2p services, if I could be assured that the actual artists I downloaded would be the ones that got paid by my particular fees, and not a "Corporate Soup".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would pay a monthly royalty fee for legal p2p services, if I could be assured that the actual artists I downloaded would be the ones that got paid by my particular fees, and not a &#8220;Corporate Soup&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447274</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447274</guid>
		<description>NEEDED: ALL PUBLIC
This articles says many thruths... how artists and songwriters have been shafted all along. 

All blanket licensing schemes to date are fraud. It is because there is no reliable reports for music usage, audience size and whatever data records there are cannot bee seen b the public or the artists. Then the accounting is never honestrly audited. Under such conditions there is no way there is going to be a fair distribution of the money. Then, anyway, the money passes through unscruupolous music publishers who do with the money whatever they want because the musica usage records cannot be seen and there are no audits of the books. There was no way the system could work except o make a few millionaires and many poor artists.

So a new blanket licensing scheme can only lead to the same sstem manipulations and the same results....unless the system is universal (for Internet/radio/concert/bar/etc. music usage)  private hands and public. To make it work it must be all public and all records and data open for inspection by any citizen and audited by government accontants. In other words, there is no room for private orgabizations. ALL PUBLIC, nothing private.
RV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEEDED: ALL PUBLIC<br />
This articles says many thruths&#8230; how artists and songwriters have been shafted all along. </p>
<p>All blanket licensing schemes to date are fraud. It is because there is no reliable reports for music usage, audience size and whatever data records there are cannot bee seen b the public or the artists. Then the accounting is never honestrly audited. Under such conditions there is no way there is going to be a fair distribution of the money. Then, anyway, the money passes through unscruupolous music publishers who do with the money whatever they want because the musica usage records cannot be seen and there are no audits of the books. There was no way the system could work except o make a few millionaires and many poor artists.</p>
<p>So a new blanket licensing scheme can only lead to the same sstem manipulations and the same results&#8230;.unless the system is universal (for Internet/radio/concert/bar/etc. music usage)  private hands and public. To make it work it must be all public and all records and data open for inspection by any citizen and audited by government accontants. In other words, there is no room for private orgabizations. ALL PUBLIC, nothing private.<br />
RV</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447083</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447083</guid>
		<description>“You can’t trust people to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them into it.”

No.

You can’t trust corporations of parasites to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them  into death.

This mean that whatever this parasites do, does  not matter. We are NOT! going to buy their shit anymore, period! 

We will pay the artist directly instead. Actually I am already doing just that. The majors are not needed and not wanted and they should be destroyed like the terrorists they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You can’t trust people to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them into it.”</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>You can’t trust corporations of parasites to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them  into death.</p>
<p>This mean that whatever this parasites do, does  not matter. We are NOT! going to buy their shit anymore, period! </p>
<p>We will pay the artist directly instead. Actually I am already doing just that. The majors are not needed and not wanted and they should be destroyed like the terrorists they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447074</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-447074</guid>
		<description>“Raising awareness of the morality of free downloading doesn’t work, nor does litigation.”
Why does Vivendi instigated the sue them all campaign then?

May be because since the 4 majors are now in deep shit as a result they are trying to deny that they did this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Raising awareness of the morality of free downloading doesn’t work, nor does litigation.”<br />
Why does Vivendi instigated the sue them all campaign then?</p>
<p>May be because since the 4 majors are now in deep shit as a result they are trying to deny that they did this?</p>
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		<title>By: Reason</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-446855</link>
		<author>Reason</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15808#comment-446855</guid>
		<description>"You can’t trust people to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them into it."

Perhaps, but if anything, this also (especially?) applies to corporations. For far too long have they been unfair and unreasonable with their terms to artists and consumers alike, simply because they can. The internet has turned the tables now and they no longer have us grabbed by the nuts. It is US who will hammer them into it until someday, hopefully, they will get over their million$ withdrawal syndrome and come to terms with their diminished role in the digital age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t trust people to be fair or be reasonable. You have to hammer them into it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, but if anything, this also (especially?) applies to corporations. For far too long have they been unfair and unreasonable with their terms to artists and consumers alike, simply because they can. The internet has turned the tables now and they no longer have us grabbed by the nuts. It is US who will hammer them into it until someday, hopefully, they will get over their million$ withdrawal syndrome and come to terms with their diminished role in the digital age.</p>
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