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		<title>By: Paul Kambulow</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-470520</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kambulow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Major ISPs in Canada, Bell, Rogers  not only  are they both guilty of false,  misleading advertising, unfair and restrictive trade practices but they are also still the same thieves and liars who mostly have not met their contractual promised obligations now too

How would Bell like it if I paid up to 50 dollars a month depending on what actual Bell Internet speed they had delivered me, or I had said I would do my best to pay them? Absurd they would reply. Well it is unacceptable how they had lied about their unlimited high speed internet, being the fastest too in the country, when for a start their phone lines, equipment in many areas cannot handle it even.. they Bell are just con artists, liars, guilty of false, misleading practices who should go to jail directly now for it rightfully as well.. Unlimited is an oxymoron, how can you cap an unlimited account the customer had agreed to and paid now as well.

No one should be the false big brother.. especially Bell... Bell&#039;s Big brother&#039;s false regulations, supervision is just another dirty word for Bell just screwing someone some more in the interest of making more money, more profits for the Bell corporation and is always still contrary to the laws on free speech, our Charter of human rights too. Only the much too many clear fools and idiots at the CRTC, in the Conservative and Liberal governments sre the ones who cannot see this now too. Simple too.
 
http://newmedia.crtc.econsultation.ca/topics/show/4?root=56#comment_54</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Major ISPs in Canada, Bell, Rogers  not only  are they both guilty of false,  misleading advertising, unfair and restrictive trade practices but they are also still the same thieves and liars who mostly have not met their contractual promised obligations now too</p>
<p>How would Bell like it if I paid up to 50 dollars a month depending on what actual Bell Internet speed they had delivered me, or I had said I would do my best to pay them? Absurd they would reply. Well it is unacceptable how they had lied about their unlimited high speed internet, being the fastest too in the country, when for a start their phone lines, equipment in many areas cannot handle it even.. they Bell are just con artists, liars, guilty of false, misleading practices who should go to jail directly now for it rightfully as well.. Unlimited is an oxymoron, how can you cap an unlimited account the customer had agreed to and paid now as well.</p>
<p>No one should be the false big brother.. especially Bell&#8230; Bell&#8217;s Big brother&#8217;s false regulations, supervision is just another dirty word for Bell just screwing someone some more in the interest of making more money, more profits for the Bell corporation and is always still contrary to the laws on free speech, our Charter of human rights too. Only the much too many clear fools and idiots at the CRTC, in the Conservative and Liberal governments sre the ones who cannot see this now too. Simple too.</p>
<p><a href="http://newmedia.crtc.econsultation.ca/topics/show/4?root=56#comment_54" rel="nofollow">http://newmedia.crtc.econsultation.ca/topics/show/4?root=56#comment_54</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stray Mongrel</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-469143</link>
		<dc:creator>Stray Mongrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks to me like the consumer field is ripe for competition. An investment in the infrastructure to compete with Bell would pay off, it seems to me. Why isn&#039;t any other company taking advantage of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like the consumer field is ripe for competition. An investment in the infrastructure to compete with Bell would pay off, it seems to me. Why isn&#8217;t any other company taking advantage of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell McOrmond</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-468260</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell McOrmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think this is an OK outcome for this very early stage.  This was a request for interim relief, and I didn&#039;t think they would get it.  At the core of the need for quick relief was the suggestion that people would switch away from CAIP members to Bell and Rogers because of the problem.    The very fact that Bell is doing this, and that CAIP has started the process of taking this to the CRTC, will likely benefit CAIP members in both the short and long term.

Looking forward to seeing some people from this forum on Parliament Hill for the rally.  This decision doesn&#039;t indicate that the discussion is over, but that it has finally begun.

By the way, please make sure you have written your MP about this issue.  While the CRTC will be reviewing this issue under current regulations, there is a need to make clear to politicians why these competitive access rules are needed in the first place.  It would be great if parliamentarians stepped in and strengthened the rules and remedies such that all Cable companies are mandated to offer competitive access, and phone companies will no longer do what Bell has done.

Please also note that the privacy complaint is being investigated in parallel, and that avenue may shut Bell&#039;s harmful activities down as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think this is an OK outcome for this very early stage.  This was a request for interim relief, and I didn&#8217;t think they would get it.  At the core of the need for quick relief was the suggestion that people would switch away from CAIP members to Bell and Rogers because of the problem.    The very fact that Bell is doing this, and that CAIP has started the process of taking this to the CRTC, will likely benefit CAIP members in both the short and long term.</p>
<p>Looking forward to seeing some people from this forum on Parliament Hill for the rally.  This decision doesn&#8217;t indicate that the discussion is over, but that it has finally begun.</p>
<p>By the way, please make sure you have written your MP about this issue.  While the CRTC will be reviewing this issue under current regulations, there is a need to make clear to politicians why these competitive access rules are needed in the first place.  It would be great if parliamentarians stepped in and strengthened the rules and remedies such that all Cable companies are mandated to offer competitive access, and phone companies will no longer do what Bell has done.</p>
<p>Please also note that the privacy complaint is being investigated in parallel, and that avenue may shut Bell&#8217;s harmful activities down as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-467696</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And speaking of dirt to be dug up, here&#039;s a little chink in Bell&#039;s armour, namely their PR guy, Jason Laszlo, who got a little too honest on his Facebook page:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=80</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And speaking of dirt to be dug up, here&#8217;s a little chink in Bell&#8217;s armour, namely their PR guy, Jason Laszlo, who got a little too honest on his Facebook page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=80" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue~start=80</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-466909</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not so bad. They basically didn&#039;t buy that CAIP members would suffer irreparable harm if interim relief were not granted.

I think there is still some hope for this application. In the decision they do state:

&quot;Based on the record, the Commission is satisfied that CAIP has demonstrated that there is a serious issue to be determined regarding whether Bell Canada’s practice of throttling Internet traffic carried by CAIP’s members subscribing to the GAS tariff is in accordance with the requirements of the Act.&quot;

Also interesting is that public interest played no part in the decision. Since the application failed to meet the irreparable harm criterion, no consideration was given to public interest.

If the CAIP application HAD passed the irreparable harm test, then the CRTC would have to  have considered the very thorny issue of public interest - that&#039;s what this is all about in the end - and their interim ruling would seem more like a premature final ruling.

It&#039;s probably better this way. On closer and longer examination, a lot more dirt will come out on what&#039;s really happening, as opposed to what Bell (shaw, rogers, et al) are telling us about how our data stream is handled. 

I&#039;ve read new snippets that suggest the DPI software they use is more sophisticated than they let on, and has the ultimate purpose of turning paying users into a commodity to be sold to corporate content providers. The loss of privacy implications are huge. Maybe we&#039;ll get to know exactly what they&#039;re doing in this regard if the Privacy Commissioner takes on the CIPPIC application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so bad. They basically didn&#8217;t buy that CAIP members would suffer irreparable harm if interim relief were not granted.</p>
<p>I think there is still some hope for this application. In the decision they do state:</p>
<p>&#8220;Based on the record, the Commission is satisfied that CAIP has demonstrated that there is a serious issue to be determined regarding whether Bell Canada’s practice of throttling Internet traffic carried by CAIP’s members subscribing to the GAS tariff is in accordance with the requirements of the Act.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also interesting is that public interest played no part in the decision. Since the application failed to meet the irreparable harm criterion, no consideration was given to public interest.</p>
<p>If the CAIP application HAD passed the irreparable harm test, then the CRTC would have to  have considered the very thorny issue of public interest &#8211; that&#8217;s what this is all about in the end &#8211; and their interim ruling would seem more like a premature final ruling.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably better this way. On closer and longer examination, a lot more dirt will come out on what&#8217;s really happening, as opposed to what Bell (shaw, rogers, et al) are telling us about how our data stream is handled. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read new snippets that suggest the DPI software they use is more sophisticated than they let on, and has the ultimate purpose of turning paying users into a commodity to be sold to corporate content providers. The loss of privacy implications are huge. Maybe we&#8217;ll get to know exactly what they&#8217;re doing in this regard if the Privacy Commissioner takes on the CIPPIC application.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15932/comment-page-1#comment-466889</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how much did that bs document cost???
I think its time to to first Boycott Bell and second Shut down the CRTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how much did that bs document cost???<br />
I think its time to to first Boycott Bell and second Shut down the CRTC.</p>
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