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	<title>Comments on: Phorm and DPI: Alex Hanff</title>
	<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980</link>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479707</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479707</guid>
		<description>^^ "(just like the P2Pnet slander lawsuit, ongoing news on the DVDR-Core suit seemed to vanish off the pages of news sites and blogs with hardly a trace"

Believe me, both the p2pnet lawsuits are stiil very much alive :)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ &#8220;(just like the P2Pnet slander lawsuit, ongoing news on the DVDR-Core suit seemed to vanish off the pages of news sites and blogs with hardly a trace&#8221;</p>
<p>Believe me, both the p2pnet lawsuits are stiil very much alive <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479672</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479672</guid>
		<description>"er, what is ‘wotcha’?"

Makes me think of "Wotcha back - or you might find a knife in it"

Bardoid, what ever happened with that lawsuit? (just like the P2Pnet slander lawsuit, ongoing news on the DVDR-Core suit seemed to vanish off the  pages of news sites and blogs with hardly a trace.) At the time, it seemed like such an impossible situation that personal bankrupcy might have been the only way out - assuming that  DVDR-Core was not (wisely) registered as a LLC.

That BBC webvideo does not work on my computer. Is there another copy available on P2P or online somewhere like Youtube?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;er, what is ‘wotcha’?&#8221;</p>
<p>Makes me think of &#8220;Wotcha back - or you might find a knife in it&#8221;</p>
<p>Bardoid, what ever happened with that lawsuit? (just like the P2Pnet slander lawsuit, ongoing news on the DVDR-Core suit seemed to vanish off the  pages of news sites and blogs with hardly a trace.) At the time, it seemed like such an impossible situation that personal bankrupcy might have been the only way out - assuming that  DVDR-Core was not (wisely) registered as a LLC.</p>
<p>That BBC webvideo does not work on my computer. Is there another copy available on P2P or online somewhere like Youtube?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Hanff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479193</link>
		<author>Alexander Hanff</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-479193</guid>
		<description>Hey Jon,

Your story has made it straight to the number 1 news item on Google Finance's Phorm page:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

Great result for the campaign thanks again for the coverage.

Alexander Hanff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon,</p>
<p>Your story has made it straight to the number 1 news item on Google Finance&#8217;s Phorm page:</p>
<p><a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM" rel="nofollow">http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM</a></p>
<p>Great result for the campaign thanks again for the coverage.</p>
<p>Alexander Hanff</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-477134</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-477134</guid>
		<description>@ &lt;I&gt;er, what is ‘wotcha’?&lt;/I&gt;

UK greeting derived, maybe, from &lt;I&gt;What Cheer?&lt;/I&gt; ;)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <i>er, what is ‘wotcha’?</i></p>
<p>UK greeting derived, maybe, from <i>What Cheer?</i> <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476965</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476965</guid>
		<description>and thank to p2pnet for publishing the whole thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and thank to p2pnet for publishing the whole thing</p>
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		<title>By: kits</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476950</link>
		<author>kits</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476950</guid>
		<description>Nice work so pleased to see someone can see the dangers of this webwise/phorm relationship with ISPs. The government needs to get off the fence and show the public they can be trusted before the next elections or it will be too late for them.
To any ISP that signs up to this you will lose customers as we do not want to be used or trust this system with our privacy.

Well Done Alexander and thank you from a member of the public that is a lot wiser now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work so pleased to see someone can see the dangers of this webwise/phorm relationship with ISPs. The government needs to get off the fence and show the public they can be trusted before the next elections or it will be too late for them.<br />
To any ISP that signs up to this you will lose customers as we do not want to be used or trust this system with our privacy.</p>
<p>Well Done Alexander and thank you from a member of the public that is a lot wiser now.</p>
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		<title>By: Quartz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476892</link>
		<author>Quartz</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476892</guid>
		<description>Very nice peice of work Alex, although I suspect those parties you mention who intend to profit from this system will play the draggging-of-heels game and try to minimalise what you have to say, keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice peice of work Alex, although I suspect those parties you mention who intend to profit from this system will play the draggging-of-heels game and try to minimalise what you have to say, keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476888</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476888</guid>
		<description>er, what is 'wotcha'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er, what is &#8216;wotcha&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476880</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476880</guid>
		<description>Wotcha again Alex:

Good to see someone standing up instead of lying down ;)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wotcha again Alex:</p>
<p>Good to see someone standing up instead of lying down <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Hanff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476874</link>
		<author>Alexander Hanff</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15980#comment-476874</guid>
		<description>Hey Jon,

Thanks for the coverage on this issue.  Hopefully my paper will better enable people to understand the legal implications for this technology in the UK.  The battle against Phorm is still ongoing and strong as ever; there is a large and dedicated group of public protesters, politicians, academics, press and legal experts constantly reporting on the issue and taking steps to try and prevent deployment.

I myself have been involved at a considerable level including appearing as a guest speaker at the 80/20 Thinking PIA "Town Hall Meeting", appearing as a guest on a BBC World technology news show called "Click" as well as writing articles, consulting with journalists (for example a recent article in Investors Chronicle by the Financial Times on Phorm) and interacting in the wider campaign as a whole.  I continue to engage Peers in the House of Lords, Press, Legal Experts and Academics, Politicians and the general public.  I am also attempting to gather support from industry leaders such as Google, Yahoo and Microsoft and have been in advanced discussions with Google in particular.

It is important that everyone continues to fight this technology before we wake up and realise that privacy is very much a thing of the past.  As I stated at the PIA meeting, what Phorm are trying to do is productise people; they assign us a UID not dissimilar to a Bar Code and place us into a global warehouse selling pieces of us to the highest bidders.  This is offensive to many and contravenes our Human Rights as well as the many other legal issues.  Explicit informed consent from all parties (not just the ISP subscriber but other users of the same computer (friends and family), content publishers and any other party involved in the communication) is required by law in both the UK and the EU and we must not allow that requirement to be swept aside for the purpose of profit.  The right to Privacy is an inalienable right and cannot be assumed to be waved under any circumstances.

To measure the impact of the campaign so far, it is worth noting that since February Phorm's market capital (the total value of all shares issued) as dropped from over £500 million to under £200 million which can only be seen as largely down to the negative publicity Phorm have received.  This in and of itself is a remarkable achievement and strongly illustrates that the British people do not approve of this technology and will do whatever they can to fight it's deployment.

I would personally like to thank FIPR (in particular Dr Richard Clayton and Mr Nicholas Bohm) for their efforts so far.  It is my understanding that they will be discussing behavioural advertising at a very high profile 10th Birthday Event later this month.  I have been very lucky in having the opportunity to meet with Dr Clayton at the PIA event and discuss the issue with him personally.  Furthermore, Mr Nicholas Bohm has been in regular communications with me as well as being kind enough to provide feedback and insight on my dissertation (published above) as well as asking permission to use part of the dissertation at an ISPA Legal Forum in London this June.

Furthermore my thanks extend to the Open Rights Group staff, British Computer Society, Earl of Northesk (and various other politicians), BBC Click and other BBC journalists such as Darren Waters, Charles Arthur at the Guardian, Channel 4 and of course all the members of the public who have been involved in this issue (such as cableforum and badphorm users and staff).

Finally, Chris Williams of The Register deserves a separate thank you for his vast coverage of the issue over the past 3 months.

I hope I haven't missed anyone, but if I have my apologies and please extend these thanks to yourselves as appropriate.

I will continue to fight Phorm and other such technologies to the best of my abilities and I have recently decided to study for my Masters in Law (LL.M) to better enable me to engage these issues at the policy level.

Alexander Hanff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for the coverage on this issue.  Hopefully my paper will better enable people to understand the legal implications for this technology in the UK.  The battle against Phorm is still ongoing and strong as ever; there is a large and dedicated group of public protesters, politicians, academics, press and legal experts constantly reporting on the issue and taking steps to try and prevent deployment.</p>
<p>I myself have been involved at a considerable level including appearing as a guest speaker at the 80/20 Thinking PIA &#8220;Town Hall Meeting&#8221;, appearing as a guest on a BBC World technology news show called &#8220;Click&#8221; as well as writing articles, consulting with journalists (for example a recent article in Investors Chronicle by the Financial Times on Phorm) and interacting in the wider campaign as a whole.  I continue to engage Peers in the House of Lords, Press, Legal Experts and Academics, Politicians and the general public.  I am also attempting to gather support from industry leaders such as Google, Yahoo and Microsoft and have been in advanced discussions with Google in particular.</p>
<p>It is important that everyone continues to fight this technology before we wake up and realise that privacy is very much a thing of the past.  As I stated at the PIA meeting, what Phorm are trying to do is productise people; they assign us a UID not dissimilar to a Bar Code and place us into a global warehouse selling pieces of us to the highest bidders.  This is offensive to many and contravenes our Human Rights as well as the many other legal issues.  Explicit informed consent from all parties (not just the ISP subscriber but other users of the same computer (friends and family), content publishers and any other party involved in the communication) is required by law in both the UK and the EU and we must not allow that requirement to be swept aside for the purpose of profit.  The right to Privacy is an inalienable right and cannot be assumed to be waved under any circumstances.</p>
<p>To measure the impact of the campaign so far, it is worth noting that since February Phorm&#8217;s market capital (the total value of all shares issued) as dropped from over £500 million to under £200 million which can only be seen as largely down to the negative publicity Phorm have received.  This in and of itself is a remarkable achievement and strongly illustrates that the British people do not approve of this technology and will do whatever they can to fight it&#8217;s deployment.</p>
<p>I would personally like to thank FIPR (in particular Dr Richard Clayton and Mr Nicholas Bohm) for their efforts so far.  It is my understanding that they will be discussing behavioural advertising at a very high profile 10th Birthday Event later this month.  I have been very lucky in having the opportunity to meet with Dr Clayton at the PIA event and discuss the issue with him personally.  Furthermore, Mr Nicholas Bohm has been in regular communications with me as well as being kind enough to provide feedback and insight on my dissertation (published above) as well as asking permission to use part of the dissertation at an ISPA Legal Forum in London this June.</p>
<p>Furthermore my thanks extend to the Open Rights Group staff, British Computer Society, Earl of Northesk (and various other politicians), BBC Click and other BBC journalists such as Darren Waters, Charles Arthur at the Guardian, Channel 4 and of course all the members of the public who have been involved in this issue (such as cableforum and badphorm users and staff).</p>
<p>Finally, Chris Williams of The Register deserves a separate thank you for his vast coverage of the issue over the past 3 months.</p>
<p>I hope I haven&#8217;t missed anyone, but if I have my apologies and please extend these thanks to yourselves as appropriate.</p>
<p>I will continue to fight Phorm and other such technologies to the best of my abilities and I have recently decided to study for my Masters in Law (LL.M) to better enable me to engage these issues at the policy level.</p>
<p>Alexander Hanff</p>
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