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	<title>Comments on: Censoring ourselves online &#8216;just in case&#8217;</title>
	<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024</link>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-491690</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-491690</guid>
		<description>How much can you buy laws for in America? I would like to buy some also and sue some people. Could someone let me know please. I have plenty of other people also interested in buying some laws int the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much can you buy laws for in America? I would like to buy some also and sue some people. Could someone let me know please. I have plenty of other people also interested in buying some laws int the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-491204</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-491204</guid>
		<description>I'm starting to wonder how long it will be before I'm no longer connected to the internet because of fear of reprisals for something posted years ago.

When are the laws that are passed to protect us actually going to be enforced rather than being seen as an inconvenience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to wonder how long it will be before I&#8217;m no longer connected to the internet because of fear of reprisals for something posted years ago.</p>
<p>When are the laws that are passed to protect us actually going to be enforced rather than being seen as an inconvenience?</p>
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		<title>By: Dude Lofgrin</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-490912</link>
		<author>Dude Lofgrin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-490912</guid>
		<description>You had me convinced!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had me convinced!</p>
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		<title>By: calfan4life</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-490910</link>
		<author>calfan4life</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-490910</guid>
		<description>Okay  I admit it. I am neither a seceret agent or a Navy seal. I am not a movie actor, and I am not Oprahs favorite friend! Please don't take me to court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay  I admit it. I am neither a seceret agent or a Navy seal. I am not a movie actor, and I am not Oprahs favorite friend! Please don&#8217;t take me to court.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489734</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489734</guid>
		<description>It is fundamental that only governments can make laws (as in, rules that carry punishments for transgression). Neither individuals, nor corporations can make laws, for they have no authority to invoke consequences beyond the revocation of hitherto granted permissions.

If I enter a corporate premises and omit to read the rules on the entrance, I am safe in the knowledge that if I break no REAL laws, the worst punishment they can inflict on me is eviction from the site.

Similarly, if I enter data on a website where I have failed to follow posted rules, it is quite clear that the limit of their right to punish me is to attempt to identify me in the future and deny me access.

Perhaps I deserve a worse punishment if I commit fraud - but it is up to the laws of my country to define the meaning and extent of "fraud", not the website. If I create two accounts on a private tracker, it is up to the legal system to decide if this is fraud, the website owner cannot point to the "rules" where it says "creating two accounts constitutes fraud"; it's meaningless, and should not be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fundamental that only governments can make laws (as in, rules that carry punishments for transgression). Neither individuals, nor corporations can make laws, for they have no authority to invoke consequences beyond the revocation of hitherto granted permissions.</p>
<p>If I enter a corporate premises and omit to read the rules on the entrance, I am safe in the knowledge that if I break no REAL laws, the worst punishment they can inflict on me is eviction from the site.</p>
<p>Similarly, if I enter data on a website where I have failed to follow posted rules, it is quite clear that the limit of their right to punish me is to attempt to identify me in the future and deny me access.</p>
<p>Perhaps I deserve a worse punishment if I commit fraud - but it is up to the laws of my country to define the meaning and extent of &#8220;fraud&#8221;, not the website. If I create two accounts on a private tracker, it is up to the legal system to decide if this is fraud, the website owner cannot point to the &#8220;rules&#8221; where it says &#8220;creating two accounts constitutes fraud&#8221;; it&#8217;s meaningless, and should not be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489477</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489477</guid>
		<description>Where's the harm in making personal backups after they sell us the hardware to do it?

I agree it's a huge problem when children, and adults, try to get friends online, and it can be disastrous. These "relationships" are usually easily forgotten once broken off because of the lack of physical intimacy. There should rightly be penalties for adults impersonating children or trying to lure them into misconduct.

However there are times when deception is not intended nor for wrong motive. Just one example. Your daughter sets up an account for you on her social network so you can talk to one another on it. You don't want to give out your personal details, and you could be mistaken for another young person. You may even add content to your page/s that would appeal to her as a young person. She knows who you are and you are not trying to deceive others or lure "friends", nor do you communicate with others who don't know you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the harm in making personal backups after they sell us the hardware to do it?</p>
<p>I agree it&#8217;s a huge problem when children, and adults, try to get friends online, and it can be disastrous. These &#8220;relationships&#8221; are usually easily forgotten once broken off because of the lack of physical intimacy. There should rightly be penalties for adults impersonating children or trying to lure them into misconduct.</p>
<p>However there are times when deception is not intended nor for wrong motive. Just one example. Your daughter sets up an account for you on her social network so you can talk to one another on it. You don&#8217;t want to give out your personal details, and you could be mistaken for another young person. You may even add content to your page/s that would appeal to her as a young person. She knows who you are and you are not trying to deceive others or lure &#8220;friends&#8221;, nor do you communicate with others who don&#8217;t know you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489397</link>
		<author>Rafael Venegas</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-489397</guid>
		<description>"Copying CDs I own to my iPod may - or may not be - illegal, and copying DVDs I own certainly is."

I wonder, what is the difference and can citizens know about it? I certainly do't know why I could copy a CD for backup purpose but cannot copy a dvd for the same purpose.

The "can citizens know about it" is extremely important to those of us that don't care for legal traps nor for dumb judges that parrot "ignorance of the law is no excuse", the dumbest idea (from idalists, mind you) going around in legal circles.

I hope the reaon is the legal advise given on screen when you see a dvd. Legal advise from non resident lawyers (say inCanada from Amercians)  is worthless and legal advise from businesses is lower on the worth scale.





 and is t justify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Copying CDs I own to my iPod may - or may not be - illegal, and copying DVDs I own certainly is.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder, what is the difference and can citizens know about it? I certainly do&#8217;t know why I could copy a CD for backup purpose but cannot copy a dvd for the same purpose.</p>
<p>The &#8220;can citizens know about it&#8221; is extremely important to those of us that don&#8217;t care for legal traps nor for dumb judges that parrot &#8220;ignorance of the law is no excuse&#8221;, the dumbest idea (from idalists, mind you) going around in legal circles.</p>
<p>I hope the reaon is the legal advise given on screen when you see a dvd. Legal advise from non resident lawyers (say inCanada from Amercians)  is worthless and legal advise from businesses is lower on the worth scale.</p>
<p> and is t justify?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-488956</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16024#comment-488956</guid>
		<description>The laws are corupted. 

There is no law and there is no longer any right side. 

We have to fetch our guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The laws are corupted. </p>
<p>There is no law and there is no longer any right side. </p>
<p>We have to fetch our guns.</p>
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