Associated Press and five little words
p2pnet news | P2P:- “AP seems to feel that fair use is unavailable to bloggers,” says p2pnet reader Silly Ratfaced Git.
“I call BS.
“BTW, they don’t eat their own dogfood: AP Violates Own Copyright Law By Quoting 22 Words from TechCrunch.”
What!?
Surely not !!!
Reporting from Vancouver, BC, just across the water from p2pnet’s luxurious central HQ on Vancouver Island, “Well, this was bound to happen sooner or later,” says Jarrett Martineau on Now Public, continuing >>>
After the Associated Press issued its preposterous decision to charge for 5 word quotations of its stories, the blogosphere was quick to react.
Now, the tables have been turned on the Associated Press, as internet news superblog TechCrunch (who have called on fellow bloggers to ban all AP content), is ‘demanding justice’ after the AP quoted a hefty 22 words from one of its posts.
Let the battle rage on, and on, and on, my friends.
You gotta fight / for your right / to copyright!
But wait! What’s that bit about five word quotations?
It’s true! The pic on the right isn’t another of p2pnet’s lampoons. It’s genuine!
There’s a little box AP expect you to fill out if you’re about to use something from one of its posts.
“Cut and paste the text fragment you want to excerpt into this box,” says the wire service.
The top charge is $100 for 251 words and up.
Does that mean punters can freely use any and all AP articles of that length —- and up, of course —- for $100?
Meanwhile, at the bottom of the page is this:
“Please honor copyright! Piracy hurts creators, devalues their works, and puts you and your employer at risk. Learn more.”
Like Martineau says:
“Let the battle rage on, and on, and on, my friends.
“You gotta fight / for your right / to copyright!”
Jon Newton – p2pnet
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June 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Another one of these idiot ideas on how to make the internet pay them. That is if the users of the net would just co-operate. Doesn’t matter that it runs afoul of fair use rights…someone has to pay us. Sound familiar to anything similar? The old do as we say, not as we do?
Of course it is by their way of viewing ok for them to do the same thing that they want paid for by others. After all, it’s news! Thing of it is, all this news is someone elses lives, their words, their thoughts, their ideas. What the news once did well, which is investigative reporting, is seen about as often as albinos. Most of it is someone elses ideas and words too. Sure they repackage those words to slant it for their own bias and purposes. Still doesn’t change the source didn’t originate with them. So when they gonna start passing out these $100 bills for reuse of others words and deeds? Bet they jump through that hoop.
*btw. A couple of times lately, I’ve actually been able to open a few articles without waiting excessive time frames. Mostly I give up as they are just too long to wait. Sometimes they never do open up, even after 10 or 15 minutes. So this is the first article I’ve read in two days. The first one to open in fact. I tried three days on one other article. Never did get it to open. The rest above this post in articles I have just given up on trying to read. Time frames don’t work for me. After two years of having it set as so, I will be changing my home page off of this site. If I can’t read the articles, the site isn’t of benefit. I see none of these problems with /. or the rest of the sites…only here.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am
How are they going to know if someone on some obscure site posts a five word quotation? Are they going to google every five-word permutation of all their articles? And what if the site in question isn’t indexed?
June 25th, 2008 at 11:14 am
You know what this means don’t you? Since the AP says it will charge $12.50 for quotes of 5 words or more, than toss in THREE AND FOUR WORD QUOTES by the truck load from AP articles. They can’t charge you for that if those are the guidlines, right?
Actually the right way is just to ignore them, and simply quote someone else. It’s not like these ninnies are the ONLY source of information we have at our disposal.
A WWII Quote, from General McAuliffe, when he was given an Ultimatum by the Germans during the Battle of the Bulge, he responded with a one word reply, One which we should use in response to the AP:
NUTS!
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June 25th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I say that you should understand the Fair Use Doctrine (or whatever it is called in your various countries) and follow that.
In the USA, Fair Use means that you are using the content without permission based on the defense that your use is permissible under the (rather subjective) test outlined in the Copyright Act.
If the AP says you can quote less than 5 words, then that’s a LICENSE and Fair Use doesn’t apply. If you send them money for more than 5 words, than that’s ALSO a LICENSE and Fair Use still doesn’t apply. If you use more than 5 words and don’t send them any money, then Fair Use applies as long as your use can withstand the scrutiny of the statute.
Again, Fair Use does not require permission. In fact, they can demand that you not use their work and you are authorized to use it anyway, under the act, as long as your use is a Fair Use.