p2pnet reader to Indiana Gregg …
p2pnet news view Music | P2P:- Indiana Gregg, pictured here with TPB’s Peter Sunde, is crazy like a fox.
Before she took on The Pirate Bay she was, relatively speaking, a nonentity.
Now …….
However, says a p2pnet reader tells her, “There are several factual inaccuracies that need addressing if you are going to be taken seriously,” namely >>>
1. There are no internet police. Due to the nature of the internet being global and countries having different laws it makes this very difficult. It’s like international waters, you have casino ships that are run from coastal states of america that forbid gambling, these are not able to be stopped as they in fact do not commit crimes in the country itself.
2. You claim that violation of copyright is stealing, and that those that copy music don’t pay for it. Well in the case of the pirate bay there is actually a levy on all cd and dvd media that is paid to music publishers, so they do in fact pay your tribute in this country, even if they don’t download copyrighted material EVERYONE pays you guys. In Russia as well many of the most popular sites that commercialise MP3 downloads pay their subscriptions to your music associations.
3. When lawsuits are brought against downloaders for copyright violation the artists don’t receive any of the remuneration. You as an artist have given that right away anyway. Your contracts and remaining rights suck. This only fuels the argument that artists are not being robbed.
4. The artists that HAVE released their music FREE online have seen MASSIVE sales figures recorded. The best example of this is TRENT REZNOR /NIN? and Radiohead’s In Rainbows. This fuels the downloaders into believing that not only is it your Labels that are ripping you off because your too lazy to take a risk and release it on your own, but people downloading free copies HELPS sales not hinders.
I would argue that the internet was shunned by the labels as a distribution method as their control is not as solid on this platform, this has bit them in the bottom as it is inevitable that superior technology replaces obselete technology. itunes embraced this platform, need I say more?
5. Indiana is only a popular artist because she gave away her songs for FREE on myspace. Myspace, Youtube, and Google Video, the list is endless. These sites give away copyrighted material ALL THE TIME to more people than the pirate bay. They don’t get pursued by the copyright holders because they have Big companies backing them that can defend themselves. Its only the small fry that get savaged by bullies.
Theres my $0.02.
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.Stumble It!
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:49 am
this needed some serious editing
July 10th, 2008 at 6:33 am
This is p2pnet, not the Daily Corporate Times.
Content is where it’s at, not spelling, punctuation, grammar. IMHO, a lot of people with good ideas keep them bottled up because of a perceived or actual lack of writing skills.
But online, it doesn’t matter. Here, it really is the thought that counts.
Cheers!
July 10th, 2008 at 7:43 am
I happen to live in the U.S. in indiana, and I think this dumb broad should change her name…her actions are absolutely ridiculous
July 10th, 2008 at 9:34 am
@RW…
“this needed some serious editing”
Nothing personal, RW, but before you offer that particular type of criticism, you should read your own posts!
You seriously need to start proofreading before transmitting….
Having said, that, it doesn’t stop me from appreciating the thought behind those posts.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Seemed perfectly intelligible to me. I don’t understand why some people become obsessed with correcting the spelling and grammar of others. This is a blog, not a literary masterpiece like the Iliad, though even some of those have grammatical and spelling errors.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Waddaya mean this isn’t a literary masterpiece !!!! ????
(Just kidding
)
Cheers!
July 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Indiana Gregg (real name: Melissa Morrow) and her husband own the record label they distribute under, in case anyone is wondering why an unknown, no-talent performer even gives a sh**.
Oh, and don’t bother posting anything truthful to any of those sites like the Youtube and Myspace – those pages are scrubbed clean of any critical comments.
Same with her Wikipedia page. She and her husband seem to spend every day editing her wiki page, under a variety of different user names, most of which eventually get banned.
She is an online vandal, troll, and spammer. With her pathetic and disgusting behavior, it’s a wonder she has any fans at all.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
@Reader’s Write July 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm wrote
“She is an online vandal, troll, and spammer. With her pathetic and disgusting behavior, it’s a wonder she has any fans at all.”
thanks for that info. because out of curiosity I checked the early life of the wikipeadia page about her.
Now THAT stuff is really a LOL.
This Ian and his chick Indiana are truly idiots!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indiana_Gregg&diff=next&oldid=131687727
July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
She ceased to be considered “indie” the moment she started talking in Recordlabel, otherwise known as Bullshit.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:13 am
She’s a millionaire, and she’s still whining? shut the hell up you greedy bitch.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am
my post has been censored here. But, I will just say that I think she is right to stand up to the Pirate Bay because
they are making $3 million a year on advertising and why should they pick on independents?
July 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
^^ “my post has been censored here. But, I will just say that I think she is right to stand up to the Pirate Bay because
they are making $3 million a year on advertising and why should they pick on independents?”
Censored? I have no idea what this person is talking about. Nothing was censored. In fact, I posted the original in full as as a separate article – http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16356
I’ve just deleted the Reader’s Write which appeared under Art’s comment because otherwise, it would have been repeated in full three times.
Cheers!
July 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am
to Reader’s Write. You sound like a stalker who says he is from Indiana.
he writes, ““She is an online vandal, troll, and spammer. With her pathetic and disgusting behavior, it’s a wonder she has any fans at all.”
thanks for that info. because out of curiosity I checked the early life of the wikipeadia page about her.
Now THAT stuff is really a LOL.
This Ian and his chick Indiana are truly idiots!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indiana_Gregg&diff=next&oldid=131687727”
He also claims to know Indiana’s real name. I can only think that Reader’s Write is either an Ex or a stalker. His posts are very vendictive sounding.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Reader’s Write is scary. I found him on the other post that Jon moved to a new page. OMG he is def a stalker.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
@T.Duffy
at least the wikipedia diff link was from me, (sorry for not having the name set) so thats not a stalking post! Me only “stalkes” RIAA-Richard
And the post before that (not from me!) the name info is obvious since her now hsubands name is Morow, so should be her new family name, shouldn’t it?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Hi Alter_Fritz.
Sorry. That must be my mistake. I can only see that the post says “Reader’s Write Says” and thereafter it says @Reader’s Write (so, it looks like
Reader’s Write is posting something to himself and about himself?)
Seeing so many comments from the same person is somewhat confusing.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I’m confused. Having read back, So, Alter_Fritz, are you also saying that you are Reader’s Write? ah, it doesn’t matter.
It is confusing as to why any one person would make so many comments on various links in reference to the topic. That’s why
I think that Readers Write sounds suspicious. However, since this is the internet, I suppose there is nothing regulating
so many posts, lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
T-Duffy “Reader’s Write” thats the default name entry in jon’s wordpress setup if one chooses to left the name field blank!
Since jon is for freedom of speech he does not even demand that someone uses a psydomyn or an (valid) email address to comment.
you see the “optional” text beside the fields instead of “required” what you see on most other wordpress setups?
Name (optional)
Mail (will not be published) (optional)
Website (optional)
Reader’s Write Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
is by me, quoting the other anomymous pseudonym user post from July 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm.
So if you see a post by “Readers Write” that could be all the 2+ million TPB users being to lazy to enter anything into the “Name” field.
Hope that helps
July 12th, 2008 at 12:20 am
I think the arguments here don’t really hold water. Here are my rebuttals:
1. There may not be federations called the “Internet Police,” but governing countries do take piracy very seriously. Take the U.S. for example, the FBI monitors illegal activity on the ‘Net. And if there are enough complaints regarding federal criminal activity, they will consider it (And boy, the MPAA + RIAA have complaints!). Copyright infringement is a federal offense, even in Sweden, although the laws regarding torrents are more ambiguous.
I do think Indiana Gregg’s statement on Internet Passports are cheesy, and unrealistic.
2. If there aren’t any licenses for networks to host copyrighted music, then it is stealing, because it is like bootlegged content by strangers being sold real cheap, but in this case for free. If friends (people that know each other) share, while still illegal, that would be considered, IMHO, sharing.
The sites in Russia offer to pay the Music Industry, but it’s also been reported they refuse to accept payment because they don’t want to authorize music to be so cheap. Therefore, the artists aren’t really helped out by buying at these sites.
3. No argument, I agree
4. The bands you list are well-known bands that have already received a good reputation because of the labels (or cartels, if you will). They have less to risk because their fan-base is already huge, and will more likely help them out by donating to their cause, entertainment. If a start-up band were to do that, I don’t know what would happen.
It’s not the freeloaders that help the artists you list, because the freeloaders give nothing in return – it’s the paying fans that pay that help them.
I would have to agree that the RIAA should have embraced this technology as soon as Napster launched. Instead, they are encouraging rebellion because of their frivolous lawsuits and suing fans.
5. You are improperly juxtaposing streaming vs. keeping a copy. MySpace is free for streaming, but they don’t let you download music, officially (of course, there are ways around it), and the same with YouTube. Google Video used to let you, but they are so integrated with YouTube.
The PirateBay encourages you to keep whatever you downloaded, and keep for portable uses. It’s just like owning, so it’s not advertising, it’s giving you the copy to keep FOREVER.
But MySpace, YouTube, and the Google Video (which basically seems the same as YouTube) promote the product because they don’t give you a copy (officially), and the PirateBay just lets you steal it.
Anyway that’s my 2 cents.
Peace.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:49 am
wow, I agree with iTunes. There is a difference there. I also think that people need to lose the ‘label’ problem. My film company has a name and so it has a ‘label’ (or logo). Big businesses all have labels (logos), etc. From Wrigley’s chewing gum to Levi jeans to Gucci, etc.
A record label is nothing more than a company with a logo. It only means that a person paid a few euros and made a company and called it a name. The way it works is, you have an idea (a film, music, product, website idea, etc.), you go around with a plan and ask people if they want to invest in your idea. You find the people, they invest, then you release a product or service, etc. If you make money, it is a success. It doesn’t mean that you are greedy, it probably means that you had a good idea and good timing and maybe even had some luck.
The Pirate Bay is not different. They had an idea, set up a site, found funding (they call it donations for servers, but, it’s really the same thing), they have advertising on the site based upon traffic to the pages on the site. The Pirate Bay is just like any other label in that sense. There are major ‘labels’ or major corporations who once did the same thing and then grew into big businesses. However, with this role as a ‘big’ bussiness, you earn some more power because of the scale of your business being greater (ie:more emplyees, more overheads, more revenue, more power behind new ideas, etc.). As a small business, you must survive on the few ideas and make them work. So, smalll businesses (most of which are only one or two people) have to put in many hours at the beginning to ‘pay their dues’.
In film it works this way, in music it is the same (most independent labels are simply one or two people who were either fans of a band and wanted to help them or they are the independent musicians themselves who made the label.) Just because I have my own film company (which is just me and my computer and a friend of mine who is a great camera man), doesn’t mean that I’m suddenly part of a cartel or mob ring. Same with Gregg. The way she explains it, means that she is one of us. She’s talking about independent artists (everybody) and how this messes up our chances of improving and getting funding so that we can even get to the stage of giving away our art for free. That is the ’sysiphus’ effect that she mentioned. That’s how I feel at the moment as an inependent film maker. We need the investment and the investor needs a return. I don’t know how to do this and I know I can have a job with a major film company, but, that’s not what I want. I want to express my work. How?
July 12th, 2008 at 5:26 am
Hi Art:
You haven’t apologised for wrongly accusing me of censoring you. But I forgive you
Meanwhile, you have a lot to say but right now, you’re just a name. Are you a clever shill? You’ll have to excuse me. I’m paranoid. IMHO, where the entertainment cartels are concerned, anything is possible including spamming sites such as this
So who are you? I’d be interested in knowing where you’re located (my guess, US), what kind of movies you make, how long you’ve been in the business. And so on.
I’d also be interested to know if you agree suing children is acceptable? And so on.
Cheers!
July 12th, 2008 at 6:37 am
I am sorry for suggesting you censored me Jon. I didn’t know that you posted my comment elsewhere. I don’t agree with suing anybody.
I’m from Manchester. I make short films and sketches and I’ve been involved in a feature film which was released by an independent. I started working in film 10 years ago doing some editing and then I started writing sketches and creating storylines with a storyboard cartoonist. After that, I started a film business and got jobs doing some music videos and some local television commercials.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:42 am
oh sorry, I didn’t understand what you meant. No, I’m not in a cartel so no paranoia. I put my email address in the field if you want to speak to me.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
No worries, Art. Do you have any of your flicks for public consumption [read sharing ;-p ]?
If you do I, for one, would like to see it/them.
Cheers!
July 12th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/IanMorrow
This is EPIC
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:IanMorrow
02:20, 18 May 2007 Kurykh (Talk | contribs) blocked “IanMorrow (Talk | contribs)” (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (legal threats)
July 12th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/IanMorrow
This is EPIC
July 12th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
And here is another proof of their (Ian Morrow/Indiana Gregg) arrogance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:IanMorrow
02:20, 18 May 2007 Kurykh (Talk | contribs) blocked “IanMorrow (Talk | contribs)” (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (legal threats)
We already had Prentice staff editing his Wikipedia page, right?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
I happen to know about the wikipedia entries that were made and blocked because the IP address that was
altering her wiki page last year can be traced back to a building in germany where Indiana’s ex works. so,
this could be why the pages were blanked by wiki
July 13th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Show business is all about projecting a carefully crafted image. Many of the Wikipedia pages of RIAA-label artists get scrubbed clean of anything and everything negative.
For instance, many of the top rap stars are habitual criminals with a long police record (I won’t call it a “rap sheet”) but these important facts, including police mug shots, when posted on Wikipedia will immediately get removed, then downgraded and eventually slowly whittled away until there’s nothing left.
Few people have the time and energy to babysit a Wikipedia page 24/7 — except for vested interests like the record companies, who don’t want anything to tarnish the golden cow they’ve been milking.
We’d be fools to believe that the only people who edit the Wikipedia pages of recording artists are the fans themselves.
In the case of Indiana Gregg, does it not seem strange to anyone that there are a lot of “fans” talking up a storm about this person all over the internet, yet her music is almost completely absent on P2P networks? Usually the two go hand-in-hand — unless the “fans” are actually shills working for the record company.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Reader’s Write Says:
July 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
What are you talking about?
the edits under the “username” IanMorow has no (publicly visible) IP address attached to them.
Even if we assume that was NOT the husband guy with the same name, but someone else, there is NO connection to a “building in germany where her ex works” viewable for non-administrative wikipedia personal.
So how do you “happen to know” then?
Are you saying you “Reader’s Write” have this admin tools to come to such conlusions?
Anyway, the “blankings” were not done by wiki but by the user with the username “IanMorrow”.
Reader’s Write July 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am <- is that you Carribeanqueen?
July 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=41311907&blogID=414422317
indiana’s new blog
July 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
no, wikieditor2008, I enquired about the wiki situation and I have a copy of the legal letter with the IP address that was in question and know the situation.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
“a copy of the legal letter with the IP address”
pardon?
can you say that in english?
July 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
hi jon,
I was wondering what you think about my problem. I know this is about p2p and I’d like to know what you think about this. Do you think that p2p can help me? Most of my work is copyright by the people who have paid me. I have some independent film work that I’ve done that looks good, but, it’s probably not the same quality that most people want. So, I need investment for it. I’ve spoken to a lot of investors who invested in my projects in the past, and they even said that if I had presented the same work a few years ago, they would have invested, but, they don’t know what I can do unless I can bring a major on board and they don’t want to take the risk because they don’t see how the return is possible. I personally can’t afford a proper editing suite. The best are in London and there are some here in Manchester, but, to be honest, just paying for the lighting means I’ll need to do deals that I probably can’t afford now.
thanks,
Art
July 13th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I smell scifags!
July 14th, 2008 at 5:30 am
concerning wikipedia. I found this entry on the wiki discussion page:
I found this on the wiki discussion page (about the stalker guy)
:The IP address: 62.226.53.35 (recent entries) based in Germany. There were previous attempts at slandering Gregg’s wiki page between the 11th and 27th November 2006, where someone, strongly suspected and presumed to be Indiana’s ex-husband, made alterations to various entries concerning Ms Gregg and her professional activities and history here on Wikipedia, These alterations to the article texts were deemed false, highly defamatory and extremely damaging and therefore the wiki page was removed. The IP addresses originating these amendments were traced as 88.64.10.236 and 88.64.24.172, both codes which relate to the Automotive Research division of Accenture GmbH.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
T.Duffy
can you back up your “found” that you cut and paste her?
Because given as it is and assuming there isn’t a clerical erro in the date your c+p makes no sense because (according to the hsitory at least!) the page was only created in first half of 2007 (not 2006!) and the vandalisms of the IANMORON user were also in that first half but not in November (also not November 2007). At least non vandalisms that are preserved as documented versions in the publicly viewable history.
In short your “foundings” make no sense and you better recheck them unless you want to be considered part of the “morowns swordcrossing clown”-army that seems to be in damage control mode since IAN and Indi fucked this PR stuff up so badly!
July 15th, 2008 at 5:37 am
It is in the ‘discussion’ part of the article which looks like discussions between yourself wikieditor2008 (who suddenly became
an editor just after an entry from a german IP address in the ‘history’ of the postings in the article).
You can also easily write to the source, Ms. Gregg, who’s email address is published in several places on the web (this is what I did).
She has sent me a good deal of information including emails between herself and a wiki editor who intervened regarding the vandalism.
She was also able to send me a document that was sent to her ex. So, I now know the name and address of the ex. It isn’t very difficult to source information if you want it.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:25 am
@ T.Duffy
a request for “backup” does not mean that you tell from where you copied it, but that you add some sources. Given how you answer me it is highly suggestive that you are just a sockpuppet of ART.
So can you back up your argument and explain for example the novembr 06(!) relevance while the article appears to be started to be written in early 2007 only?
If you can’t -which seems to be the case since you (like ART!) prefers to resort to some Ad Hominem issues instead to wipe away legit questions toward you guy(s)-
Why should I write Mails to Mrs Morrow when I asked YOU to back up YOUR postings?
That makes no logical sense unless are you saying that “Cqueen” and “littleredm&m” and “IANMORROW” and that IP in the logs at the relevant timeframe are indeed Mr and Mrs Morrow themself and therefor they would be the right person to ask instead of you that just copied that part from the talkpage!
If that is the case, of course I will happily send her an email and ask for infos like you claim you did! But I fear no matter how respectful I will ask, since lying and cheating seems to be normal business fro Mr. and Mrs. Morrow that she will probably jsut complain that I wrote her “hatred e-mail” too.
With regards to you Ad Hominem attack: if you accuse “ME:wikieditor2008″ of being “SoWhy” and/or any other suspected sockpuppet, you are free (In case you have a wikieditorname registered like “Cqueen” or “kleinesrotesmundm” for example) to place the sock puppet accusation template on the respective user talk pages. They are linked behind every ~~~~ signed edit!
Coming back to my initial request.
1) Are you willing to back up your alleged found (which I accuse you of having posted yourself as “littleredm&m”) then and explain about the incosistency in the dates for example?
Since you are claiming you got infos directly from Mrs. Morrow herself, that sounds “journalistic working”-like to me, therefore:
2) Are you willing to admit that you are indeed the user “Carribeanqueen” that claimed to be a journalist too?
3) Are you willing to admit thay you are indeed the user “Reader’s Write July 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am” and “Reader’s Write July 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm”?
4) In case you admit that you are “Carribeanqueen”, are you further willing to admit that you are “littleredm&m” too?
Thanks in advance for being a honest cooperative discussion participant!
cheers
wikieditor2008
July 15th, 2008 at 10:36 am
wikieditor2008:
confused.com
I do not follow. I am not involved in wiki editing. I have a real job at a proper newspaper I’m afraid.
cheers
July 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
so newspaperworker T.Duffy if that is the case then, then why don’t you tell your knowledge (at least so far as it will not reveals confidential sources/information) but in so far with respect to the claim about the vandalism the people are speaking about?
It is obvious that it is the case that different people talk about different incidents/allegations of vandalism.
Mr. and Mrs. Morrow and the alleged sockpuppet cqueen and littleredm&m are obvious refering/coping infos into the talkpage about an incident that allegedly took place in November 2006 while the public at large is talking about the vandalism of alleged Mr Morrow in May 2007.
Maybe you can shed light into the issue then with respect to what incident the Morrows are refering to be telling a bit more about the infos you got from them.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I have seen this evening that wikipedia have edited a lot of the info that has been spoken about. Meanwhile, I have found some interesting articles about music, industry, Pete Townsend, Kid Rock and also a more recent blog from Ms. Gregg. I cannot and will not reveal my sources because I am working on an article that has to do with a similar yet more critical topic. So, unfortunately, although I would like to enter into discussions here, I prefer to steer clear and simply listen at this point. I hope you will respect this decision.
wishing you well,
T.Duffy
July 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
sure T.Duffy It would have wondered me if you truely had revealed your sources!
Serious journalists don’t do that, they rather go to jail then give up that!
But do they are also serious enough to refrain from edit warring on wikipedia?
July 17th, 2008 at 1:54 am
Illegal Music Downloader Pays Heavy Price
Updated: 09:11, Friday October 05, 2007
Jamie Thomas was sharing thousands of files..They said she shared 1,702 songs by downloading them without permission and then offering them online through a Kazaa file-sharing account. Just thought I’d point out the date of the article.
January 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
From Wiki-Stiki-Pedia:
“Revision as of 02:07, 18 May 2007
To whom ever it may be, constantly editing this page…. The violation of our artists page is now subject of legal action in the UK. If you continually edit and defame our artist you will become subject to legal proceedings also.
This page is now down
Ian Morrow
Diector Gr8Pop Ltd
Retrieved from “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Gregg”
This guy is a true IDIOT in every sense of the word, taking on ThePirateBay is one thing: But once you create an article on Wikipedia, you have tacitly given permission for anyone in the world to edit your article, because that is the way the Encyclopedia works.
Wikipedia is not a BBS forum where you can post whatever you want, and it is not a website where you can PAY for your own PRIVATE page. It is a PUBLIC PLACE.
I feel very badly for this Indiana Gregg, because this Ian Morrow cretin/Creep has caused her to become an Internet Dirty Word in very short order.
January 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Oh Yah: “WikiEditor2008″ is nobody else but this Ian arse – You can tell by the imbecilic style of writing, and the exact kinds of typos he leaves in his posts and emails, the same kind of typos that Peter posted at TPB.
This fucker is a bonafide INTERNET MENACE- Which just means that before, maybe he had the population of his home town laughing AT him… But because of his idiocy and stupidity and his persistence in creating 5 x 10 exp 25 fake internet identities, he has become a GLOBAL LAUGHINGSTALK.
And all I want to add to this melee is that I have not enjoyed seeing a person’s public stupidity more than I have enjoyed reading Ian Morrow’s rantings and ravings.
However, if I were Indiana, I would go to English court and have a restraining order written up that bars Ian from using the internet in regards to her business. I certyainly would ntot go to court in California to do that, and I especially would not go to court in Sweden to do that.
But every minute that Iam spends posting his very laughable threats- Not just to TPB but to the whole world, he is making life difficult for his wife. If she had any sense, she would divource his arse… In English court that is, not in Swedish court.