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p2pnet news view | P2P:- Singer Indiana Gregg yesterday said ‘Thank You!’ to the Net.
Well, actually, she didn’t.
But she should have because it’s pulled her from relative obscurity, giving her billions of bytes of priceless, and free, PR.
Gregg hit the online headlines when she ended up in a verbal online punch-up with The Pirate Bay’s Peter Sunde, originally featured joyously by TorrentFreak.
Now, in a long MySpace post she says, in part, “Recently, I’ve received several hundred emails from a lot of angry people concerning a blog that I wrote that a site called ‘Torrent Freak’ requested permission to republish,” she says, going on the messages she’s received, “mostly go somewhat like this: ‘Stupid blond, you have no idea how the internet works.’
“The internet police will never be able to regulate something as popular as file-sharing. Do you really think that the government cares about a college student downloading files illegally when they have more important things to do like catching criminals? I hate you and hope bad things happen to you because I don’t like your opinion.”
She also says, “I don’t want any of my fans (or potential fans) to be fined because they downloaded an Indiana Gregg album”.
Not much chance of that happening, unless she goes after them herself, which she says she doesn’t plan to do 
She writes >>>
I believe government is very interested. Basically, this whole file-sharing thing doesn’t have anything to do with Big Labels or artists wielding hefty lawsuits at their fans (which is crazy) because this whole p2p story has already shifted to government. That’s why I mentioned ‘fines’ rather than lawsuits in my original blog. To be honest, I didn’t threaten to sue the Pirate Bay (they just felt like putting the emails in their legal threats section and then wrote a big article about it in an effort to ‘humiliate’ as they try to do to anyone who doesn’t agree with them.)
You see, this is certainly not about me or my music at all. The reason why I’ve written to all the torrent sites is because I think that government is planning to fine people for file-sharing and I don’t want any of my fans (or potential fans) to be fined because they downloaded an Indiana Gregg album. My reasons have to do with ethics and how I feel about my fans. In fact, it never had anything to do with me at all. But most of it does have everything to do with ‘YOU’, the file-sharer. The reality is that it’s now been placed in the hands of the governments. The G8 met last week. A lot of things have been happening. In fact, the governments have been watching and waiting. I’ll explain.
First of all, let me just say that I think that the idea of music being ‘free’ is fantastic. I’m also not against file-sharing at all. I’ve never sued anybody in my life and I’m not about to start suing people now, especially not my fans! This is simply an open debate and the Pirate Bay chose to start a debate with me. So, I answered them in my personal blog. I don’t need any legal advice for this. We all know that debate brings us together and usually brings about some solutions. Anyway, here’s my theory spelled out in terms of “history, government, and simple economics”.
YOUR QUESTIONS:
So, how can something as popular as file-sharing be interesting for governments to get involved in? and Where will they get the ‘resources’ to regulate it?… The answer is, they will get the resources from “YOU”. Here’s what I believe they are planning.
Does anybody remember the Model-T Ford and the assembly line Ford created? Since then, how popular has the automobile become? How many government jobs did it create? And where did the ‘resources’ come from? Well, let’s think about it. Here’s a short list:
Fuel exports and imports
Taxes on Fuel
The rising cost of commodities due to a tax on fuel
Parking tickets
Speeding tickets
Drunk driving fines
Licenses, license plates, etc. (this list could go on forever)
How much money have governments been able to generate by that little assembly line that popularised the automobile? And where did they (government) get the money?
(hint: the government got the money/resources from YOU and I. That’s right. The tax payers and the ‘fine’ payers.)
So, how many government jobs do you think they could they create with the internet? Be honest with yourself. How many cars are there in the world and how many computers are in the world? Well, you tell me. Are there more cars than computers?
The problem p2p is facing has to do with history, government and economics. Since we’ve all heard how history repeats itself, why don’t we now take a look at the internet as an example.
In the timeframe between the moment Torrent Freak asked me if they could re-post my blog and the present, there have been several other news releases. Not just the G8 summit and their plans to crack down on piracy, but, also the result of the Viacom/ Youtube lawsuit, letters from Virgin and the BPI to their users, the “3 strikes and your out ” debate in France and Canada (and the list goes on). What do I know about the future? Well, the following prophecy I’m about to make seems as clear as day.
I’ve been watching this internet debate unravel for many years now and let’s face it, from an outsider’s point of view (mine), I can see how it would be pretty easy for government to step in and regulate. Remember, the ‘internet’ started out as a bunch of servers on US military bases and University campuses. In fact, regulating the internet is almost as easy as reducing art and music to “0’s” and “1’s” and duplicating files. In fact, the government doesn’t even need to invest or find resources for this one. Why? Because they have “YOU”. The government plans to fine you in the same way they did with parking fines and the automobile… only now, it will cost them less money because the internet is, (simply put), made up of a bunch of numbers. In this case, your IP address is making it a cake-walk for them. (Sure, you can encrypt it. But, most encryptions can also be decrypted. And yes, an IP address can be stolen. How do you think hackers break into security systems on the net? But, that’s another kettle of fish, so, for now, let’s talk about one person: you.)
Basically, how can government regulate file-sharing? The answer is simple: They will be able to do it the same way they’ve done it throughout history. As the economy continues to shift towards telecommunications and internet-based business, don’t you think government is likely to move there too? You may argue “they simply don’t have the resources”… You see, this isn’t about artists and labels suing their fans. (That’s just silly.) Nobody is going to sue you. Rather, the government plans to ‘warn’ you about something that you are doing that is presently illegal (ie: copyright infringement via file-sharing) and then, they plan to slap a little fine on every file-sharer and force the ISP’s to turn over your IP address when you break the law. (IP address: well, it’s kind of the new Internet Passport… yes, stupid blond here does know that IP stands for Internet Protocol in this instance). Ok, they’ve already begun with the “three strikes rule” (which is ridiculous.) It’s like giving somebody a life sentence for committing a few traffic violations. Nonsensical. I don’t see how that one will work in the long-run either. However, what I do see is government easily using you, the file-sharer, as a resource and meanwhile creating a whole new crew of internet police.
Listen, I’m just the messenger here. I’ve just given you some insight into where I see this heading and why. Do I think it’s fair? Well, of course not. I said that at the beginning. Do I think music should be free? Sure I do, I think it’s a great idea. However, I think that creators should be able to at least make enough money to reinvest into their art. I also think that it’s unfair for a website or torrent search engine to fool their users by making statements about how their site is ‘legal’ in in their country (but, not necessarily telling you that file-sharing of copyright material is still ‘illegal’ even in Sweden and in most of the world). I think they must know what the government is planning. We’d all be blind not to see this probability/possibility?
Will they pity you once government kicks in with their plan? Probably not, that’s why I’m asking these sites to take links to my music down. I don’t want my fans (or potential ones) to be fined for sharing my music. So, by asking the torrents to take down a link, I’m hoping that my fans will find my music for free on sites that are legal and free. You see, I like my fans a lot and I don’t want them to be fined. Every single one of my fans are important to me.
Am I telling you the truth? Well, this is just a theory at the moment. So, what if I’m wrong? Well, I could very well be wrong about this…. But, what if I’m right?
How long before we read Gregg has struck some kind of deal with one of the Big 4 labels?
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.Stumble It!
online headlines - Indiana Gregg versus The Pirate Bay, July 5s, 2008
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July 14th, 2008 at 7:15 am
I want to congratulate You “Indiana Gregg” on your opinion. I would recommend that you ignore the uninformed people who attacked you. P2P can be stopped without net police.
Please visit www.safemedia.com. This company produces a network appliance which stops over 650 P2P clients. This is a proof that P2P can be stopped. Many companies, schools and higher education institutions have purchased and implemented this device.
P2P will be stopped because it is harmful to the internet; It uses an overlay routing layer which interrupt the internet normal routing. For the benefit of few thieves we all are paying a higher cost to use the internet. Freedom is NOT infringing on other people rights.???
July 14th, 2008 at 7:31 am
“Not much chance of that happening, unless she goes after them herself, which she says she doesn’t plan to do :)”
She is promoting ACTA, where she will not have to do the dirty work and get negative PR.
But negative PR is already here, Indiana, and is here to stay forever.
Lars Ulrich, Paul McGuinness, Indiana Gregg and Ian Morrow now…
July 14th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Wow, is she for real ? There’s a few huge gap in her knowledge of the internet.
July 14th, 2008 at 7:44 am
I’m sure that there are hundreds of anxious readers ready to tare this latest to shreds, so I’ll only point out two big issues.
First, congradts on your complete change of opinion.
> Last year, in an article on Sky News, I read that a
woman received a massive fine for file sharing on the KaZaA network. I thought, great! The police are coming.Then my husband sent me a link to another article titled “Should You Pay
For Music?” I instantly thought … .eh? Has the world gone mad? It’s like saying “Should you pay for petrol?” or “Should you pay for bread?”
I’m glad to hear you don’t feel this way anymore. I’m glad you “think that the idea of music being ‘free’ is fantastic,” and “I don’t want any of my fans (or potential fans) to be fined because they downloaded an Indiana Gregg album”.
Ok, I’ll step down and give everyone else a turn.
July 14th, 2008 at 7:49 am
I asked here nicely in a comment on her blogspot post just this moment to back her claim up.
How much are you willing to bet that she will neither do it, nor will publish my comment?
Thats what I wrote:
–
Blogger Alter_Fritz said…
Hello Indiana,
can you please post the header info of at least some of the allegedly hundreds of mails you recieved that are so abusive to you?
you know having jsut you claiming that you have recieved such stuff without any prove on your behalf is not very believable given the history of you and your husband Ian and how you both make stories up.
July 14, 2008 7:44 AM
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July 14th, 2008 at 7:58 am
To Mr. Shill
“This company produces a network appliance which stops over 650 P2P clients.” So your solution is to ban p2p, which is not illegal, because some people are dl’ing copywritten material? I guess I shouldn’t be allowed to have a burnable disc, because I could use that for piracy too.
“P2P will be stopped because it is harmful to the internet”. OoOOoo those bad ol’ pirates cloggin’ up the pipes!! They’re “harming” the internet!! Someone, anyone get a bandaid! Ohh, the humanity!!!
July 14th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Heh she just backed down from all the angry people..
The first comment is by another RIAA shiff fag.. Looks like they’re paying attention to this site quite a lot recently..
July 14th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Yo RIAA retard:
SUCK A GIANT HORSE!!!!
July 14th, 2008 at 8:16 am
the app is clusuou (sp?) so nothing new!
What is new however is that it seems that indiana husband is still actively trying to rewrite her wikipage!
Well the page seems now protected for some days, and the evidence listed here looks resonable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Carribeanqueen
Man, those two downwardspiral-fucked up people “Indiana” (Melissa) and Ian Morrow are really fucked up!
Jon use the uk mirror pic of them, there they look so close to the well known downwardspiralspiral.jpg pic.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:20 am
I think this is brilliantly written. All these wankers here didn’t read your first blog correctly Indiana. They read about what you said about the Kazzaa woman and then forgot that you said that even last year you thought that ‘maybe you were too traditional” and that you said that you don’t think that the real issue is about free or not free music. They are just stupid illiterate people who want to get as much as they can for nothing! Don’t pay attention to all these idiots who have nothing to do other than tear you down.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:37 am
you commenters are just plain idiots. she states in her original blog post on myspace that she thinks free music is cool as long as the people who make it aren’t ripped off. that’s what the whole first blog was about. How Pirate bay makes $3 million a year on advertising and
uses other people’s copyright to drive the traffic to their site. how daft can you be?
July 14th, 2008 at 8:43 am
ah ART is at it again
Say Art have you answered all those serious questions already or can’t you do that since it would disturb your reality alternated view of Indiana?
Tell us, do you seriously suggest her claim that she likes to see a single mother of 2 (Jamie T.) financially ruined was jsut an outburst of “being to traditional”?
How fucked up in your mind are you Art if you try to rationalise this bad bad bitch Indiana’s clear evidence what kind of character swine she is?!
With any chance, are you IAN or any other of those gr8pop guys that are mentioned in the CC field of the mails and because of that you have to defend that bad subhuman indiana?
If not, I would say you need some serious therapy if you condone such an attitute that this Mellissa Morrow aka Indiana Gregg is showing!
July 14th, 2008 at 8:45 am
@ readers write
where do you got the 3 million figure?
I#m seriously interested since i haven’t seen a single $ yet for my work as MOD on TPB….
July 14th, 2008 at 8:48 am
P.S. Oh and you must be the same guy that tries to push the wikiedits since it seems that you are the one that can’t read.
Indiana wote the stuff LAST year in October, there were no TPB mail exchange at hand at that time and nothing she could have only mentioned in connection with that.
You fanboys/sockpuppets must get your timeline straight before trying to paint a picture that does not hold water once viewed closely!
July 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am
” where do you got the 3 million figure?
I#m seriously interested since i haven’t seen a single $ yet for my work as MOD on TPB…. ”
Several others have asked that, and have also been ignored.
It will not be answered, because it is a FIPOOMA. and to try to
back it up with fact, that would be exposed.
( FIPOOMA = Fact I Pulled Out Of My Ass ).
July 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am
torrent freak even published that TPB makes $3 million/year. The TPB also claim that they have server upkeep, etc. But, supposedly their server money was donated to them. Since they have no content on their site and only have traffic and their site is littered with adverts, I happen to believe
the $3 million dollar part.
July 14th, 2008 at 10:55 am
“torrent freak even published that TPB makes $3 million/year. ”
source?
July 14th, 2008 at 11:21 am
google torrent freak $3 million and The Pirate Bay and you will find plenty of sources.
The pirate bay boys are so busy trying to be internet superstars that they end up looking
like twats. They make the whole p2p community look stupid. The are constantly raising
up a stink.
The reason why they do so much PR? more users, more advertisers, more dosh! if they
would keep their fucking mouths shut it wouldn’t ruin it for everyone else. our torrent has
no advertising. we don’t have as many people, but, we aren’t criticised constantly either.
when someone wants their link down, we just take it down and don’t create a circus around
it.
July 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am
shy should “I” google to varify your (are you the same guy that made that $3mil under username some post back that now posts under Reader’s Write?) claim about the income stream of anakata/tiamo/brokep?
If you claim those figures then YOU are the one that is in dept to prove they are right.
And why do you think they make the whole p2pcommunity look stupid.
Arguing with the law when the law is clearly on your side like in the case of TPB looks at least for me not as being stupid or “raising up a stink”
July 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
P.S. regarding “circus”
As i read brokeps initial answer to gr8pop. He does not make a circus.
the circus started when indiana and ian thought it would be fun to start lying and claiming how well versed they were in swordfighting and the mentioning of all those scotish politicians in the cc field
Indi is the circus clown, not the TPB guys
(Disclaimer: me is not 100% objective since I interact with brokep as he is “my boss” :-P)
July 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am
“Please visit www.safemedia.com. This company produces a network appliance which stops over 650 P2P clients. This is a proof that P2P can be stopped. Many companies, schools and higher education institutions have purchased and implemented this device.
P2P will be stopped because it is harmful to the internet; It uses an overlay routing layer which interrupt the internet normal routing. For the benefit of few thieves we all are paying a higher cost to use the internet. Freedom is NOT infringing on other people rights.???”
Stop P2P and most people will no longer need a high-speed broadband account. Without P2P, what’s left? Browsing websites and sending email doesn’t need anything more than low-end DSL. YouTube and sites like them seem to have there servers permanently sent on *slow*. I have a 3Mb acount and YouTube streams the videos at less than 100K/s. There’s Usenet, but hardly anyone knows about it. So with P@P, why would most people pay for cable internet? And if most people don’t need a high-speed account, what’s that going to do to the internet industry?
July 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
” google torrent freak $3 million ”
Did that.
Found plenty of sources that said Mininova making 3 billion downloads ,
http://torrentfreak.com/mininova-3-million-downloads-071101/
And interesting article on the RIAA making several million dollars on lawsuits
( a good read ),
and not one dime going to artists
http://torrentfreak.com/mininova-3-million-downloads-071101/
So far not one source reliably supporting the statement that the Pirate bay made 3 million dollars.
See how easy it is to post a link ?
Please cite support for your contention.
As it stands now the statement is still FIPOOMA.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
google torrent freak $3 million ”
Did that.
Found plenty of sources that said Mininova making 3 billion downloads ,
[Link edited]
And interesting article on the RIAA making several million dollars on lawsuits
and not one dime going to artists ( a good read ),
[Link Edited]
So far not one source reliably supporting the statement that the Pirate bay made 3 million dollars.
See how easy it is to post a link ?
Please cite support for your contention.
As it stands now the statement is still FIPOOMA.
( I posted this version without the links in case the filter kills my original post )
July 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
filter did not kill, but you used 2 tims the same link
July 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
google torrent freak $3 million and The Pirate Bay and you will find plenty of sources.
The pirate bay boys are so busy trying to be internet superstars that they end up looking
like twats. They make the whole p2p community look stupid. The are constantly raising
up a stink.
The reason why they do so much PR? more users, more advertisers, more dosh! if they
would keep their fucking mouths shut it wouldn’t ruin it for everyone else. our torrent has
no advertising. we don’t have as many people, but, we aren’t criticised constantly either.
when someone wants their link down, we just take it down and don’t create a circus around
it.
So true. Peter Sunde is a complete clown. They look like twats as you say. Publishing emails
and making fuss over little indie artists. TPB are morons.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
For the record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Carribeanqueen
Report submission by
Admiral Norton (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Evidence
Compare Special:Contributions/Carribeanqueen and Special:Contributions/Littleredm&m. All of their contributions revolve around the Indiana Gregg page. Also, Littleredm&m was created in early May ([1]), but became active only today, two days after Carribeanqueen’s activities ceased. This leads me to think Carribeanqueen uses sockpuppets to engage in a dispute.
Comments
I have added 82.9.58.47 to the list of suspected and recently active socks. The account “Littleredm&m” was created on May 19, 2007, a day after IanMorrow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log), the husband of Indiana Gregg, was blocked indefinitely for legal threats. These accounts most likely belong to him as he has continued editing the article also from IP addresses starting with 82.9.x.x ([2]). Prolog (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Conclusions
July 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
” So true. Peter Sunde is a complete clown. ”
( notice how they are trying so hard to get away from providing supporting sources, by
)
using personal attacks to divert attention from the fact that they have no facts
C’mon,
” torrent freak even published that TPB makes $3 million/year. ”
Still waiting for supporting references …
July 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
@dreddsnik
well observed that
what relevance has the suspected sockpuppet investigation with 3 millions or whith who makes a clown out of whom?
Btw in my opinion I would say its indiana who “did the clown” since she thought that reposting a rant she wrote in october last year as answer to an ACTUAL dispute she has with TPB.
And then she is a bit complaining now that the internet community is calling her names for that and argues that she could not forsee that her piece would for example be republished by TF.
But as she contents, TF did not jsut grab it and reposted it with indifference to the copyrightowner of that rant, she gave her explicit PERMISSIOn to TF do republish it.
SO it was her that though it would be “PR-wothy” to have some even bigger aftermath following the /legal publishings.
Which by the way were probably forgotten relatively unnoticed since the last entry by the prince Charles huckabay freak was so long gone and the visits in the /legal section were (as I alledge without having visit figures at hand now) most likely ignoreable before IAN and INDI draw their swords by rewarming 8 month old postings by themself!
P.S. ART where are you? Me and others are still waiting for answers from you!!
July 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
hello. what are these questions? don’t feel like reading back these days. lol
Just taking note of the “PR-worthy” comment above by….oh, of course, kdsde (ex/stalker?). Mate, no idea what you mean. let’s see, we have a ‘reposting of a rant’ made by Indiana. Then something about TF asking if they could repost her rant. ok, some legal publishings? what were those?
Sorry kraut, I don’t fully understand your post. I’ve not been a stalker as long as you I guess. So, you’ll have to explain to me how this new theory of yours works.
later, I hope to make a movie from this.
I do agree that TPB are like diggin’ for gold with any PR they can muster though. Even indie musicians. Bit naf aye?
Cordially
ART
July 14th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I think that the circus began when TPB posted emails from a small independent label that was requesting a link.
Bit comical. Big Torrent (world’s biggest) search engine picks on little indie label? Expects little indie-girl to back off and feel humiliated.
Indie girl speaks up for herself and points out sensitive point of big Engine’s business probs. Big Engine gets mad…. Sounds
like a good film. Kind of David and Goliath eh?
Now big engine tries to make it look like little indie artist had some superpowers. Plot develops. Might speak to some TV channels about
this one. Do a documentary?
I’m here for a laugh, but, what are these questions?
July 14th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
@ Art:
“Sorry kraut, I don’t fully understand your post.”
Kraut? First and last warning, Art.
Cheers!
July 14th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
She just keeps on shooting herself in the foot doesn’t she? rofl
July 14th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Jon let him,
We Krauts love our sauerkraut and with out you canadians and americans back then those “insel affen” would eat that nowaday too
http://img105.imageshack(.)us/img105/5497/onguardbig1df.jpg
HRK-packt sie und zerhackt sie
(ART see your sockpuppet playing field where you play as DNS cyberguy for some comment. And then please come back HERE to be so nice and answer the serious questions that people asked you instead of resorting to your ad hominem attacks if you are man enough to face the truth!)
July 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
So ART are you saying you don’t know what a question is?
In that case I will help you to find as a biginning at least the questions from me towards you that are posted on this blogpost (16371).
See if there is a comment that contains the letters “A”,”R” and “T” that could be something that is aimed at you. Note that those letters could also be not capitalised which would mean that could look like “a”,”r” and “t”.
so while we have established what you must look for in the first place, now we must find out what is a question.
I’m sure even you wisited a school and your teacher told you that there a some special symbols that can stand at the end of a sentence. A “full stop” for example! (Ian Morrow likes to say full stop too!) “In the UK ( and most other countries) file sharing by torrent or otherwise is illegal… full stop. ”
“.” <- that one inside the ” ” is such a thing called full stop. so if you see one of those you can ignore that sentence that is not a wuestion and you don’t need to torture your tiny head with trying to understand the content before that symbol.
some other symbol that can be used at the end of a sentence is a so called “exclamation mark”. Just to prevent your tiny short attention span only able brain to overload I will not explain that further but go directly to the thingy you must look out for to spot a question;
The thingy you must look out for at the end of a sentence is called a question mark.
It does look like this “?”.
Now have you underand the lesson so far, could you follow? (look that is a question! but you do NOT need to answer that one, you know we grownups from time to time use stuff that is called a rhetorical question, don’t bother that concept is too hard for you to grasp in this early learningstage. Just try to remember what you were told so far and you can spot the questions towards you. I’m cofident! *Du schaffst dass! Schackka*)
July 14th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
” In that case I will help you to find as a biginning at least the questions from me towards you that are posted on this blogpost (16371). ”
I wouldn’t bother anymore, kd.
Art has demonstrated beyond a doubt that he has nothing to hang his hat on, so to speak, and
only intends to stir you up, even to the point of racial slurs.
He’s trolling.
It’s time we stop feeding the troll.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:06 am
She also says, “I don’t want any of my fans (or potential fans) to be fined because they downloaded an Indiana Gregg album”.
Somehow this doesn’t make a lot of sense. Existing fans wouldn’t need to download the album because them being fans would get the real thing anyhow.
Potential fans are completely out the question the moment she thought that attacking Jammie Thomas was a great idea.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:32 am
that sounds a bit stupid (no offense) but, fans could be ones who download and not buy, etc or people
who see a live gig and download.
She didn’t say that attacking Jammie Thomas was a great idea. She said ‘great, the internet police are coming’
which means, something is finally being done about illegal file sharing. Let’s face it kids, stealing is illegal.
There was a trial for the Kazaa woman and there must have been enough evidence to give that woman that penalty.
The penalty was harsh, however, file-sharing has caused people to lose their jobs who also have children. The
point being is that file-sharing of copyright content is, indeed, ILLEGAL. This is something that you absolutely
cannot argue about in any way. It is impossible to argue the fact that it is ILLEGAL. It is written on every CD and
DVD and piece of software. It is in the iTunes terms of agreement. no duplication, etc.
Now, take that to the bank.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:31 am
@ Reader’s Write Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 7:32 am
do Not change meanings of something someone said by changing the interpunction!
what you cite is NOT what she wrote/said/ment!
Unless you claim she is stupid and not able to use basic interpuntion and wording styles in her mother language!
Remember Reader’s Write: only try to rewrite history if you are the winner and can manipulate the sources as fitting your agenda.
In your case it does not work since we have her original!
She said something completely different!
July 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
ach. @Wikieditor2008/ kdsde Das Schweinchen ist immer noch da!! Mate, is it you ‘drin’ . Interpunction? Now, that’s the pot callin’ the kettle isn’t it? I mean, you of all people! (oh dear) Are you possibly saying that Reader’s’ Write (at 7:32 am) has used Interpunction! How dare you mate! (laughs, nearly crying, pause. takes breath). I say to my keyboard “WTF”.
the quote: Last year, in an article on Sky News, I read that a woman was fined a massive fine for file sharing on the Kazaa network. I thought, great! The police are coming.Then my husband sent me a link to another article titled “Should You Pay For Music?”. I instantly thought….eh? Has the world gone mad? It’s like saying “Should you pay for petrol?”or “Should you pay for bread?”….. hey, maybe I was being too ‘traditional’? I guess you could compare it to you, yourself working all week long. You go to the bank and cash your check, and the banker takes your money without putting it into your account.
But, it’s much deeper than this. Whether or not the public is offered music for free or at a cost is not the real issue. The real problem lies in the fact that ’share’ sites are making money by pointing to ‘other people’s copyrighted content’… ” (unquote)
I shall interpunct now: This does not imply that she took pleasure because someone was fined. This implies that at that point she thought that a policing of the internet would follow. I am an english scholar. I can read. I can write. I write and edit scripts for a living mate. Interpunct? You’re a nutter.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
TPB shill! The Pirate is dead. Long live the pirate. The legions of them. Oh dear. How will I keep my tiny boat a floatin’.
The TPB Titanic of the torrent community. (this is part of my film you see.) Then, big sign carried by a lovely penguin pops up out of the mighty sea that says “BEWARE OF ICEBERG”. Alas, the Kapitan looks ahead ’shiver me timbers”.
Big orchestra comes in (of course, no budget for that because no investor will pay for the mighty philharmonic anymore due to
P2P killing movies, but, hey, let’s pretend) Massive orchestra and the violent sea rips through as the ship heads straight into danger.
The pirates of the titantic grasp their ropes and abandon ship.
and then….
I need another pint mate!
July 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I saw that the Wikipedia page for Indiana Gregg has been locked from further editing due to repeated vandalism, sock-puppetry, edit-warring, and general lamership.
It seems the squatters that formerly resided on her wiki page are now taking a squat here on P2P net.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
kdse: how is the law on the side of TPB? I just noticed that post here. TPB (the site itself) may be legal within Sweden; however, isn’t
file-sharing of copyright content also illegal in Sweden and also in many other countries? Does TPB warn their users about that?
(with regard to your question). When it comes to sourced information, I am afraid that I will not share that information with you. However, you are welcome to read about
it once the story is published.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
what Pete Townsend has to say:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a111725/townshend-slates-heartless-downloading.html
this is kid rock concerning itunes here:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a101582/kid-rock-explains-itunes-refusal.html
however, kid rock also takes a stand against pirating in a cynical way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpCADfZD-eg
In another relatively chilling blog, you might consider this blog too because this, indeed, may be where government is heading:
benefit of the doubt, maybe there is something Gregg knows that we haven’t considered:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=41311907&blogID=415405493
cheers and good luck to you all.
T. Duffy
July 17th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Illegal Music Downloader Pays Heavy Price
Updated: 09:11, Friday October 05, 2007
Jamie Thomas was sharing thousands of files..They said she shared 1,702 songs by downloading them without permission and then offering them online through a Kazaa file-sharing account. Just thought I’d point out the date of the article.