(Bell Canada: Surf’s UP):
Lets say you change all your 100M Local Lan cards to 1000M ones, well, inside your new Lan you will get better speed right?
ok-That is basically all that Bell is trying to do with 16 Max (non-technically speaking). Our “local” so-to-speak canadian network is now potentially faster. The real questionis geeez, why didn’t they just do that sooner ? and that way, there would be NO EXCUSE to “throttle” us.

But, when we hit the outside world its ALL only as good as the weakest link (dsl overhead, certain lower country BW models, the big network trunks, ……, … )right ok.

The BELL apparent “internal” congestion in theory, probably never was , AND, therefore is NON-EXISTENT -simply because of the above IP technologies which we’ve already had for years. BNR/Nortel ring a bell ?
Its just (this new)Bell tryin’ to nickel-n-dime us again a bit. (actually, make that A LOT).

In other words, if Bell, Rogers, … would have just kept upgrading and maintaining our Canadian “Lan” so-to-speak, then what “throttling” ?
“Balancing/throttling” everyones network usage is akin to this cause you can’t “GIVE” to one, without “TAKING” from another.

I know, “Here we go again…” :
But ask yourself why those 100 year old phone poles and lines, and Cable, have been up for the last 100 years or so, and why haven’t they ALL been upgraded to “Fibre” lines directly to every Canadian home by NOW,…ie., (FTTN), and you’ll have your answer.
BNR/Nortel Netwroks was ready to do it ALL at one point in time, and not to long ago, for us. -BUT greedy, or really stoooopid Ma Bell didn’t want to put that initial, and lets face it, HUGE $INVESTMENT-Technology for that kind of upgrade for Canada. But did we really have it -OH YESSSS !
…Ooops, now Nortel is gone -errr um hey how about ‘dem new wireless technology instead eh !??

And this is why other countries are finally surpassing us on QoS and better bang for their buck Internet-wise. Actually they are getting better at network back-bone technologies and doing it “without” throttling the heck out of their customers.
I mean its not like Bell/Rogers hasn’t been making Billions of dollars over the last several decades or so that they couldn’t have done all these upgrades FIRST. ?
Nope, its greed, too many cheifs not enough Indians, too many corrupt and greedy CEO’s and not enough technicians.
Its too many Canadian Lemmings’, and not enough Canadian Beavers. !

Basically, we can’t entrust our (CDN) corporations that raise prices/rates, …. first, but “upgrade” and “R&D” is LAST ?! -comon !
Our Internet, which is still publicly owned by all of us, is too important to entrust with the likes of that kind-of corporate management mentality.
(…and lets not even mention how useless and outdated our CRTC has been in all these regards)

We entrusted Bell Canada/Rogers,… to provide us with the best Internet technology, FTTN, ADSLv2,…SLAM, keep it comin’, and experience and we Canadians were willing to pay. Instead, we get “throttling” excuses from all of them.
But over the last few years they have miserably failed, instead, they have fallin’ back onto some kind of “Corporate-driven-profiteering” mechanisms with no one really at the wheel anymore seeing ahead !!!
We all paid them dearly and monthly so that we wouldn’t end up in this canadian-consumer debacle. THEY LIED !

You know, like oh here’s a little new technological-trinket called Fibre Max, even though, they have bloody-well had that developed technology “years” ago already. But umm oh ya, we gotta charge a little more of course first for it.

I think with enough awareness from all canadians, and with the likes of saveournet.ca, netneutrality.ca, … eventually Bell (and you too Rogers) may re-structure itself, but without R&D from the likes of BNR/Nortel Networks that Canada may not see again for awhile well I dunno ?

I got hopes for Canada (once again) being the Numero Uno for Innovative Networking mediums’ off any kind, and since we share alot with the world we’ll never be alone.

Don’t you listen to them, ’cause Bell/Rogers, …, could easily upgrade their hardware and forget the “throttling” strategy, which, as even they know now, is back-firing on them like a “blue angel flatulation”. GOOD!

Summarily, they don’t “NEED” to throttle us.
In any case, to say the least, “Throttling” is UN-Canadian

Rick.
Ottawa.
Canada.

Currently, the best you can get any sort of speed of this nature is if you’re within a mile of the CO or remote. Otherwise, you’re S.O.O.L. for any cable-style high speed.

Yup, 16 lane highway with a speed limit of 8kmph, AND speed bumps. That’s the Bell equivalent.

So they raise speeds of the ADSL sync, and widen the throttling. In the end, you will be able to acheieve those speeds only if you access the Bell.Ca or any Microsoft web sites, as well as buy movies from the Bell Video Store. The rest will be thottled.

This way, they can advertise any speed they want without having to worry about having a network capable of handling it.

The last Bell submission made it very clear that Bell had not invested in growing the aggregation capacity to match DSLAM capacity growth.

Perhaps the solution would be for the independant ISPs to go to the Teachers pension plan and offer to buy the ADSL infrastructure from Bell. This way, Teachers would get cash to pay down their huge debts, and independant ISPs wouldn’t be bothered by Bell’s silly tactics.

Looks to me like this is going to require governmenmt intervention to prevent Bell from doing what it wants.

Filing a tariff change request at the same time as the CRTC debates the throttling issue is smart on the part of Bell. When deciding on the throttling issue, the CRTC will have to consider implications should it rule in favour of Bell on the tariff change request. Forcing bell to disconnect the satanic boxes from the GAS/AHSSPI service for the throtling issue would be tantamount to ruling on the tariff change request without having begun to study that request.

I am glad I mentioned that usage based accounting can be done with any router and doesn’t need DPI equipment in my filing to the CRTC.

Idiot.