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	<title>Comments on: ALA Copyright slide-rule</title>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-619574</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE PUBLICATION DATE FARSE

Is anyone aware that &quot;publication date&quot; on copyright registrations at the USA are generally false, either because publishers have figured how to beat the system or because publishers themselves don&#039;t&#039; know the publication date?

Part of the problem is that after music publishers get songs from their songwriter victims, they actually never publish most of their works, but then use a recording/record selling date as a publication date even thought the copyright laws specifically says that recording does not count as publication. Publication is sheet music and 99 percent of songs are never published, something publishers rather not admit. 

The point is that with dubious publication dates, the calclator, a good tool otherwise, will give dubious answers.

And what does the Copyright Office do about the publication date farse? Absolutely nothing. It&#039;s part of the deal. Its some of the dirt in the (cpyright) pond. For the bacon. See below.

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A bunch of pigs didn’t like the water in the pond. It was too clean, tasteless. The pigs got together and got the pond owners to make the water dirty, in exchange for some bacon. The problem now is that the water is too dirty for all but the pigs, who love the pond the way it is. Also, the pond owners ate all the bacon and are always asking for more from the pigs. The pigs, that don’t even care if the water is fit for humans who own the pond are happy to comply.</description>
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<p>Is anyone aware that &#8220;publication date&#8221; on copyright registrations at the USA are generally false, either because publishers have figured how to beat the system or because publishers themselves don&#8217;t&#8217; know the publication date?</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that after music publishers get songs from their songwriter victims, they actually never publish most of their works, but then use a recording/record selling date as a publication date even thought the copyright laws specifically says that recording does not count as publication. Publication is sheet music and 99 percent of songs are never published, something publishers rather not admit. </p>
<p>The point is that with dubious publication dates, the calclator, a good tool otherwise, will give dubious answers.</p>
<p>And what does the Copyright Office do about the publication date farse? Absolutely nothing. It&#8217;s part of the deal. Its some of the dirt in the (cpyright) pond. For the bacon. See below.</p>
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A bunch of pigs didn’t like the water in the pond. It was too clean, tasteless. The pigs got together and got the pond owners to make the water dirty, in exchange for some bacon. The problem now is that the water is too dirty for all but the pigs, who love the pond the way it is. Also, the pond owners ate all the bacon and are always asking for more from the pigs. The pigs, that don’t even care if the water is fit for humans who own the pond are happy to comply.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-611980</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter that you need a computer program and the knowledge of facts impossible to determine, to determine if you need authorization to copy, some inhuman judge, pushed by some inhuman laywer pushed by an inhumar corporation will take you to bankruptcy. Nice legal system, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter that you need a computer program and the knowledge of facts impossible to determine, to determine if you need authorization to copy, some inhuman judge, pushed by some inhuman laywer pushed by an inhumar corporation will take you to bankruptcy. Nice legal system, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-611703</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting above (very good) post....

&quot;File sharing is obviously not illegal&quot;
Maybe, but there in lis not the problem.

&quot;Unrealistic and unreasonable&quot; / &quot;No they are secret.&quot;
That is the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting above (very good) post&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;File sharing is obviously not illegal&#8221;<br />
Maybe, but there in lis not the problem.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unrealistic and unreasonable&#8221; / &#8220;No they are secret.&#8221;<br />
That is the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-603486</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>File sharing is obviously not illegal despite industry claims. But if anyone was concerned about copyrighted material, how would they know if it was legal or not? First they&#039;d need to know local copyright law. Don&#039;t know that even lawyers or judges would know that. Obviously one can&#039;t contact media concerns for truthful info. Then contacting the author would be required in order to find out about copyright and/or get permission or work out a payment arrangement.

What a bunch of needless molarcky. Is there simple lists one can refer to? No they are secret. So how can it be expected that anyone could know or follow &quot;correct&quot; procedure? Unrealistic and unreasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>File sharing is obviously not illegal despite industry claims. But if anyone was concerned about copyrighted material, how would they know if it was legal or not? First they&#8217;d need to know local copyright law. Don&#8217;t know that even lawyers or judges would know that. Obviously one can&#8217;t contact media concerns for truthful info. Then contacting the author would be required in order to find out about copyright and/or get permission or work out a payment arrangement.</p>
<p>What a bunch of needless molarcky. Is there simple lists one can refer to? No they are secret. So how can it be expected that anyone could know or follow &#8220;correct&#8221; procedure? Unrealistic and unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-602406</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much simpler to just disregard copyright entirely.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16432/comment-page-1#comment-602326</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is like income tax, but year-round!</description>
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